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Ivermectin has two orders of magnitude more cardiac side effects than the vaccine. It is compared to benzimidazoles which aren't light on anything. https://www

Ivermectin has two orders of magnitude more cardiac side effects than the vaccine. It is compared to benzimidazoles which aren't light on anything. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7297930/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7297930/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8087035/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8087035/ Check rates for placebo, just in case. The rates for the vaccination are pretty close indeed to that, but not exactly the same. Not enough of a difference to warrant a black box warning, but enough for "very rare". Safety is not an absolute. Vitamin C is not absolutely safe at RDI dosages. Water has known side effects that are dose dependent. COVID and Influenza also come with cardiac side effects, more common than the vaccine, and that is the counterbalance.

robxorb 2y ago
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cooper_ganglia 2y ago
I really don't know anything about ivermectin, and I really don't have much of an opinion on it. My only opinion is that I don't think getting a vaccine helped my dad, even if it helped others, and that in the best of times, my trust in our government institutions is incredibly low, and in the case of a public health emergency, that trust dissolves to literally 0, as the health of the public is prioritised over my family's. Whether ivermectin works or not, I don't know; I just know from experience that, for some, the vaccine simply makes them worse, and it's not worth rolling a 20-sided die if 19 faces mean you're fine, but 1 face means your health is taken from you.
- nullindividual 2y ago
  > as the health of the public is prioritised over my family's. Yes, even though you've been taught individualism as an ideal, it is not ideal for your neighborhood, city, nation, or the human race where a collective needs to be prioritized over the individual. Sometimes we need to see that the needs of the needs of the many outweigh the few.
  - cooper_ganglia 2y ago
    How very utilitarian. Sounds like the kind of mindset that could lead one to kidnap a tourist in their city, disembowel them to harvest all of their organs, and disperse them amongst some locals who needed the transplant to survive, since the "the needs of the many outweigh the few."[0] You are objectively incorrect. Letting one's priority slip from the family to a faceless, nameless mass of strangers is infinitely worse for society than simply supporting the only people that should matter to you. I have responsibility for no one else but my family. The needs of my family > the needs of literally anyone else in the entire world, on any day, in any context. I would certainly hope you feel absolutely no different about your own family. [0]: https://iep.utm.edu/util-a-r/#SSSH4aii1:~:text=Rule%20utilitarians%20say,not%20maximize%20utility https://iep.utm.edu/util-a-r/#SSSH4aii1:~:text=Rule%20utilit....
  - ifyoubuildit 2y ago
    Are you saying that this person's father needed to take the vaccine for the good of the many?

robxorb 2y ago

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cooper_ganglia 2y ago

I really don't know anything about ivermectin, and I really don't have much of an opinion on it. My only opinion is that I don't think getting a vaccine helped my dad, even if it helped others, and that in the best of times, my trust in our government institutions is incredibly low, and in the case of a public health emergency, that trust dissolves to literally 0, as the health of the public is prioritised over my family's. Whether ivermectin works or not, I don't know; I just know from experience that, for some, the vaccine simply makes them worse, and it's not worth rolling a 20-sided die if 19 faces mean you're fine, but 1 face means your health is taken from you.

nullindividual 2y ago
> as the health of the public is prioritised over my family's. Yes, even though you've been taught individualism as an ideal, it is not ideal for your neighborhood, city, nation, or the human race where a collective needs to be prioritized over the individual. Sometimes we need to see that the needs of the needs of the many outweigh the few.
- cooper_ganglia 2y ago
  How very utilitarian. Sounds like the kind of mindset that could lead one to kidnap a tourist in their city, disembowel them to harvest all of their organs, and disperse them amongst some locals who needed the transplant to survive, since the "the needs of the many outweigh the few."[0] You are objectively incorrect. Letting one's priority slip from the family to a faceless, nameless mass of strangers is infinitely worse for society than simply supporting the only people that should matter to you. I have responsibility for no one else but my family. The needs of my family > the needs of literally anyone else in the entire world, on any day, in any context. I would certainly hope you feel absolutely no different about your own family. [0]: https://iep.utm.edu/util-a-r/#SSSH4aii1:~:text=Rule%20utilitarians%20say,not%20maximize%20utility https://iep.utm.edu/util-a-r/#SSSH4aii1:~:text=Rule%20utilit....
- ifyoubuildit 2y ago
  Are you saying that this person's father needed to take the vaccine for the good of the many?