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So then, the oil companies around the world will be able to trivially use Chinese services like Alibaba, further strengthening the Chinese economy at the expens
by oceanplexian 2y ago
So then, the oil companies around the world will be able to trivially use Chinese services like Alibaba, further strengthening the Chinese economy at the expense of our own?
China will make the process as efficient as it wants. Remember, we live in a global economy with other players who don’t play by our rules, sanctions or not. And I assure you developing countries are onboard with the idea of oil extraction.
- Dalewyn 2y agoI wonder sometimes to what extent progressives (aka the left, "liberals", leftists, woke, etc.) and their agenda are just paid Chinese operatives and operations or the results of such. A lot of progressive agendas have ultimately been to China's benefit at the cost of everyone else and especially Pax Americana.
- irrational 2y agoI think most liberals are more anti-conservative values (misogamy, racism, xenophobia, anti-science, anti-education, homophobia, etc.) than pro-progressive policies.
- Dalewyn 2y agoLiterally none of what you mentioned has anything to do with conservatism. Hell, speaking as a Japanese-American (aka a racial minority), conservative people by far have treated me the fairest because they truly don't care about someone's race. I mean actual conservatism, of course. Not "conservatism" often thrown around in these conversations to label out groups.
- oceanplexian 2y agoSo we’re having an economic argument, what does racism or xenophobia have to do with that?
- Spivak 2y agoThose dirty liberals, not having blind nationalism and not wanting our government to fuck over another country with 1 billion living human beings just because we don't like their government. Like good Lord, we're not at war with China. they're one of our biggest trading partners. The idea that we should be doing everything in our power to economically fuck them over isn't the argument you think it is. "Oh no, we have to supply services to oil companies because if not, a business in China might make a sale?"
- adamrezich 2y agoJust because you deny that your state is—necessarily—a participant in a global game, doesn't make said game cease to exist. The other players in the game only benefit from their opponents' state citizens increasingly expressing sentiments of concession.
- oceanplexian 2y agoWe are currently in a trade war with China, they are enabling Russia to bypass sanctions, and they are a threat to allies in the region (e.g Taiwan). They are also known for devaluing their currency to harm trade partners and for stealing intellectual property. It may not be a shooting war but we are absolutely in an economic war. This is one of the few issues with widespread bipartisan consensus (Biden has chosen to keep the China Tariffs that Trump enacted). And yes, China would be glad to take business away from Google. They don’t care about your ethics.
- what-the-grump 2y agoI think you give people too much credit. Simple greed did that to America, it was cheap, dirty work, then more complex work, then high tech work, now coding and the last piece to fall will be r&d because of a simple rug pull. Apple releases M4 and tsmc rips it off tomorrow. All done on the their (americas) dime because we outsourced the means of production. As far as this… you got morons quitting their jobs over crap like omg the oil industry is using our cloud. Meanwhile the biggest death machine on the planet e.g. the US government literally has two private azure offerings fully services by Microsoft with dedicated staff, but that’s not sexy, I can’t quit over that and post it in my socials, because that would be unpatriotic. But Microsoft not being green enough for me to work there is a stand that I can brag about.