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What exactly is "juiced up" about "Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal"? I'd be hard put to craft a more neutral/factual/boring summary of what just h

What exactly is "juiced up" about "Boeing 737 crashes during take-off in Senegal"? I'd be hard put to craft a more neutral/factual/boring summary of what just happened. Update: Apparently "crash" is misleading here since the plane was never airborne, it aborted takeoff but veered off the runway and likely hit something since the wing caught fire.

ceejayoz 2y ago
I’d probably have used “skids off runway” or “leaves runway” instead of “crashes”. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-guernsey-68886071.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-guernsey-68886071.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-67174117.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-67174117.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42680238.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42680238.amp
- notahacker 2y ago
  And the referencing the essentially unrelated Max production issues in an article about the fairly routine case of a 30 year old aircraft in a developing country experiencing issues which might be related to maintenance is probably more egregious. It's like suggesting that the stakes in whatever the latest Microsoft scandal is have been raised by someone installing malware on their XP system
  - peatmoss 2y ago
    Or in this case (1994) Windows 3.1. I agree this story is a red herring. By and large 737s preceding the MAX variants had a rather amazing reputation, which is part of the reason 737s are so ubiquitous. The issues today are that the MAX planes are enough different than the previous planes, that they should have likely been sold as a different product with different training. And the second issue is the erosion of Boeing's formerly engineer-led culture through various business / regulatory shenanigans such as outsourcing and self-oversight.
- lamontcg 2y ago
  Looks like the BBC title now uses "Boeing 737 skids off runway in Senegal" Leaving it to look like the HN submitter was the one generating a clickbait headline. Title should probably be changed here if dang is listening.
fnord77 2y ago
the brand of aircraft seldom used to be used in headlines. Usually the airline's name was used.
robin_reala 2y ago
If a car veered off a motorway and hit something then caught fire then I’d be using the word “crash” in the headline.
- debo_ 2y ago
  Cars can't fly. We are mostly concerned with planes falling out of the sky (which is the most common interpretation of a "plane crash") not bumping into something on the ground.
Dalewyn 2y ago
Besides the already mentioned use of the word "crash", the headline could have just said "737-300" right there and been infinitely more helpful and descriptive.
signatoremo 2y ago
The article itself says “skid off”, yet they use “crash” in the title. Don’t you think they intentionally “juiced up”? Boring summary, really? Also, they finished the article with a paragraph about current issue despite the fact that there are no evidence whatsoever that link this incident of a 30 year old airframe with Boeing. They could have waited until the incident investigation concludes to make that connection.
shepherdjerred 2y ago
When I read "crash" in the context of flight, I think "everybody died". Crash is factually true, but perhaps misleading (at least to my interpretation) "skids off runway" or "failed takeoff" would have less implication of death.
matt-attack 2y ago
Plus the out-of-nowhere reference to the door falling off a different plane. How is that related exactly?

ceejayoz 2y ago

I’d probably have used “skids off runway” or “leaves runway” instead of “crashes”. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-guernsey-68886071.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-guernsey-68886071.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-67174117.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-67174117.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42680238.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42680238.amp

notahacker 2y ago
And the referencing the essentially unrelated Max production issues in an article about the fairly routine case of a 30 year old aircraft in a developing country experiencing issues which might be related to maintenance is probably more egregious. It's like suggesting that the stakes in whatever the latest Microsoft scandal is have been raised by someone installing malware on their XP system
- peatmoss 2y ago
  Or in this case (1994) Windows 3.1. I agree this story is a red herring. By and large 737s preceding the MAX variants had a rather amazing reputation, which is part of the reason 737s are so ubiquitous. The issues today are that the MAX planes are enough different than the previous planes, that they should have likely been sold as a different product with different training. And the second issue is the erosion of Boeing's formerly engineer-led culture through various business / regulatory shenanigans such as outsourcing and self-oversight.
lamontcg 2y ago
Looks like the BBC title now uses "Boeing 737 skids off runway in Senegal" Leaving it to look like the HN submitter was the one generating a clickbait headline. Title should probably be changed here if dang is listening.

fnord77 2y ago

the brand of aircraft seldom used to be used in headlines. Usually the airline's name was used.

robin_reala 2y ago

If a car veered off a motorway and hit something then caught fire then I’d be using the word “crash” in the headline.

debo_ 2y ago
Cars can't fly. We are mostly concerned with planes falling out of the sky (which is the most common interpretation of a "plane crash") not bumping into something on the ground.

Dalewyn 2y ago

Besides the already mentioned use of the word "crash", the headline could have just said "737-300" right there and been infinitely more helpful and descriptive.

signatoremo 2y ago

The article itself says “skid off”, yet they use “crash” in the title. Don’t you think they intentionally “juiced up”? Boring summary, really? Also, they finished the article with a paragraph about current issue despite the fact that there are no evidence whatsoever that link this incident of a 30 year old airframe with Boeing. They could have waited until the incident investigation concludes to make that connection.

shepherdjerred 2y ago

When I read "crash" in the context of flight, I think "everybody died". Crash is factually true, but perhaps misleading (at least to my interpretation) "skids off runway" or "failed takeoff" would have less implication of death.

matt-attack 2y ago

Plus the out-of-nowhere reference to the door falling off a different plane. How is that related exactly?