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Sorry about your dad, but should you feel bad? Free discussion back then was so stifled many didn't even realise it wasn't being had. FWIW, an organisation cal

Sorry about your dad, but should you feel bad? Free discussion back then was so stifled many didn't even realise it wasn't being had. FWIW, an organisation called FLCCC established in early 2020 to deal with COVID, also now has a protocol for dealing with various issues post-vaccine: https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/ https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/

nullindividual 2y ago
This site promotes ivermectin. It is a site for cranks and frauds. Stay away from the right wing crazy, folks.
- lambdaba 2y ago
  Yeah, why would you give anything a try when you're in a bad situation, if that thing is even remotely associated with the "right wing"? Just don't do anything, follow the science, the CDC, the WHO, etc. Don't even dare to look elsewhere.
  - nullindividual 2y ago
    I dared! I dared! And came up with this: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/miscellaneous-drugs/ivermectin/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/mis... > Ivermectin is not approved by the FDA for the treatment of any viral infection, including COVID-19 Please stop spreading misinformation about COVID.
    - lambdaba 2y ago
      I have not said a single word about ivermectin.
      - nullindividual 2y ago
        Your source did -- good enough to discredit them.
    - cooper_ganglia 2y ago
      The FDA also said that the vaccine was safe. Those vaccines are now being pulled by the company that produced them, citing cases where the vaccine actually damaged the individuals who took them and gave them TTS. The existence of “Misinformation” is predicated on the idea that you have correct information. You believe you have correct information because of an appeal to authority via the FDA. However, the FDA’s word in a post-COVID world unfortunately means very little to me anymore. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/28/astrazeneca-admits-covid-vaccine-causes-rare-side-effect/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/28/astrazeneca-admi...
      - AstralStorm 2y ago
        Ivermectin has two orders of magnitude more cardiac side effects than the vaccine. It is compared to benzimidazoles which aren't light on anything. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7297930/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7297930/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8087035/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8087035/ Check rates for placebo, just in case. The rates for the vaccination are pretty close indeed to that, but not exactly the same. Not enough of a difference to warrant a black box warning, but enough for "very rare". Safety is not an absolute. Vitamin C is not absolutely safe at RDI dosages. Water has known side effects that are dose dependent. COVID and Influenza also come with cardiac side effects, more common than the vaccine, and that is the counterbalance.
        robxorb 2y ago
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        cooper_ganglia 2y ago
        I really don't know anything about ivermectin, and I really don't have much of an opinion on it. My only opinion is that I don't think getting a vaccine helped my dad, even if it helped others, and that in the best of times, my trust in our government institutions is incredibly low, and in the case of a public health emergency, that trust dissolves to literally 0, as the health of the public is prioritised over my family's. Whether ivermectin works or not, I don't know; I just know from experience that, for some, the vaccine simply makes them worse, and it's not worth rolling a 20-sided die if 19 faces mean you're fine, but 1 face means your health is taken from you.
- lambdaba 2y ago
  Wow, you are sure saving him from following all this cranky, controversial advice about taking natural vitamins & supplements while optimizing general health, that could surely backfire. https://covid19criticalcare.com/protocol/i-recover-post-vaccine-treatment/ https://covid19criticalcare.com/protocol/i-recover-post-vacc...
  - nullindividual 2y ago
    Why would you quote a site promoting ineffective COVID treatments?
    - lambdaba 2y ago
      I quoted the page that was likely relevant to the topic at hand, and it looks like a perfectly good list of natural health interventions that are more likely to help than not. Look, we're not going to get anywhere with this, you're with "trust the science" (= trust the establishment), I'm with researching things yourself, experimenting, and making your own opinion. The big difference here is there is a chance these interventions will work, whereas not doing anything is guaranteed not to.
      - nullindividual 2y ago
        Are you even qualified to perform medical research? > The big difference here is there is a chance these interventions will work, whereas not doing anything is guaranteed not to. Getting vaccinated also has done wonders for the majority.
        deleted 2y ago
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cooper_ganglia 2y ago
Yeah, I don’t need to feel bad, and it’s not like I’m being eaten up with guilt, but sometimes when he can’t remember things or he gets exhausted after light exercise, I hear that voice in the back of mind that says, “If I had just not said anything, would my dad be fine today?” It’s unknowable and thus not worth worrying about, but sometimes I just can’t help but wonder…

nullindividual 2y ago

This site promotes ivermectin. It is a site for cranks and frauds. Stay away from the right wing crazy, folks.

lambdaba 2y ago
Yeah, why would you give anything a try when you're in a bad situation, if that thing is even remotely associated with the "right wing"? Just don't do anything, follow the science, the CDC, the WHO, etc. Don't even dare to look elsewhere.
- nullindividual 2y ago
  I dared! I dared! And came up with this: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/miscellaneous-drugs/ivermectin/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/mis... > Ivermectin is not approved by the FDA for the treatment of any viral infection, including COVID-19 Please stop spreading misinformation about COVID.
  - lambdaba 2y ago
    I have not said a single word about ivermectin.
    - nullindividual 2y ago
      Your source did -- good enough to discredit them.
  - cooper_ganglia 2y ago
    The FDA also said that the vaccine was safe. Those vaccines are now being pulled by the company that produced them, citing cases where the vaccine actually damaged the individuals who took them and gave them TTS. The existence of “Misinformation” is predicated on the idea that you have correct information. You believe you have correct information because of an appeal to authority via the FDA. However, the FDA’s word in a post-COVID world unfortunately means very little to me anymore. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/28/astrazeneca-admits-covid-vaccine-causes-rare-side-effect/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/28/astrazeneca-admi...
    - AstralStorm 2y ago
      Ivermectin has two orders of magnitude more cardiac side effects than the vaccine. It is compared to benzimidazoles which aren't light on anything. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7297930/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7297930/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8087035/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8087035/ Check rates for placebo, just in case. The rates for the vaccination are pretty close indeed to that, but not exactly the same. Not enough of a difference to warrant a black box warning, but enough for "very rare". Safety is not an absolute. Vitamin C is not absolutely safe at RDI dosages. Water has known side effects that are dose dependent. COVID and Influenza also come with cardiac side effects, more common than the vaccine, and that is the counterbalance.
      - robxorb 2y ago
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      - cooper_ganglia 2y ago
        I really don't know anything about ivermectin, and I really don't have much of an opinion on it. My only opinion is that I don't think getting a vaccine helped my dad, even if it helped others, and that in the best of times, my trust in our government institutions is incredibly low, and in the case of a public health emergency, that trust dissolves to literally 0, as the health of the public is prioritised over my family's. Whether ivermectin works or not, I don't know; I just know from experience that, for some, the vaccine simply makes them worse, and it's not worth rolling a 20-sided die if 19 faces mean you're fine, but 1 face means your health is taken from you.
lambdaba 2y ago
Wow, you are sure saving him from following all this cranky, controversial advice about taking natural vitamins & supplements while optimizing general health, that could surely backfire. https://covid19criticalcare.com/protocol/i-recover-post-vaccine-treatment/ https://covid19criticalcare.com/protocol/i-recover-post-vacc...
- nullindividual 2y ago
  Why would you quote a site promoting ineffective COVID treatments?
  - lambdaba 2y ago
    I quoted the page that was likely relevant to the topic at hand, and it looks like a perfectly good list of natural health interventions that are more likely to help than not. Look, we're not going to get anywhere with this, you're with "trust the science" (= trust the establishment), I'm with researching things yourself, experimenting, and making your own opinion. The big difference here is there is a chance these interventions will work, whereas not doing anything is guaranteed not to.
    - nullindividual 2y ago
      Are you even qualified to perform medical research? > The big difference here is there is a chance these interventions will work, whereas not doing anything is guaranteed not to. Getting vaccinated also has done wonders for the majority.
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]

cooper_ganglia 2y ago

Yeah, I don’t need to feel bad, and it’s not like I’m being eaten up with guilt, but sometimes when he can’t remember things or he gets exhausted after light exercise, I hear that voice in the back of mind that says, “If I had just not said anything, would my dad be fine today?” It’s unknowable and thus not worth worrying about, but sometimes I just can’t help but wonder…