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Being sued by Stephen Miller is a pretty good indicator that you're doing something reasonable.
by cozzyd 2y ago
Being sued by Stephen Miller is a pretty good indicator that you're doing something reasonable.
- slackfan 2y agoIf being racist is reasonable, then reasonableness is overrated.
- verdverm 2y agoAre you familiar with the kinds of things Stephen Miller says? You might want to be before defending him to get an idea, he hangs out with Steve Bannon and Roger Stone
- Manuel_D 2y agoYeah, awful horrendous things like, "companies and universities should treat applicants without regard to protected characteristics like race, gender, and religion." Truly heinous.
- verdverm 2y agoone quote without context does not counter the litany of awful statements Stephen Miller has made throughout his career
- Manuel_D 2y agoIt's interesting that despite repeatedly insisting that Miller has said awful things, you have yet to actually share said statements.
- verdverm 2y agoBecause HN has rules about comments and reaction baiting that I'm not going to break They are easy to find with a search engine if you want to learn
- Manuel_D 2y agoDo not attempt to hide behind the HN rules here, if it's not insulting another member and it's relevant to the discussion it is permitted to share bigoted quotes. Sharing Miller's statements to substantiate your claims that he's a bigot is totally within the rules. I have searched him and did not find any bigoted quotes. Even his SPLC page only has quotes of him wanting to restrict immigration, which is a common and mainstream opinion and quite the stretch to use as an example of bigotry.
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- Manuel_D 2y agoAre explicit gender and racial quotas reasonable?
- staticautomatic 2y agoConstitutional law says they are in some circumstances when practiced by the government.
- Manuel_D 2y agoIBM is not the government. And those circumstances are fairly narrow, reserved for situation where a company explicitly discriminated against applicants in the immediate past. And not the "systemic" kind of discrimination, like requiring a college degree. But explicitly refusing to hire people of a particular group.
- cozzyd 2y agoLike most things, it depends, in this case on some combination of context, degree and purpose. I don't know the particulars of this situation, but based on my priors I'm much more inclined to believe that RH is doing something reasonable then that Stephen Miller doing something reasonable.
- Manuel_D 2y agoWhat Red hat is doing is described in the article: > The conservative legal group said Red Hat announced DEI goals that involved “quotas”, aiming “to remake its workforce demographic, seeking to reach 30% women globally and 30% associates of color in the United States by 2028.” > Miller’s group cited video footage of IBM’s CEO Arvind Krishna and Red Hat CEO Paul Cormier discussing diversity. Krishna says in the video that corporate executives’ bonuses can be affected if they don’t meet DEI goals. The video reference is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53zscZdtdA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53zscZdtdA Notably, the CEO explicitly states that "people of color" does not include Asians. It's very likely that the 30% quota exceeds the representation of "people of color" in the workforce. Remember, quotas and caps are two sides of the same coin. "Reach at least 30% women" is the same as saying "reduce men* to below 70%". And in a field where men make up 80% of the workforce, that's unambiguously disadvantaging men. * and nonbinary to be pedantic