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I share the author's opinion that xlib is harder to grok than the X11 protocol, because it's the X11 protocol plus a queuing system where you will sometimes rec

I share the author's opinion that xlib is harder to grok than the X11 protocol, because it's the X11 protocol plus a queuing system where you will sometimes receive out-of-band messages, plus a large number of seldom-used utilities.

toast0 3y ago
Yeah, I've not been a fan of xlib. xcb is a much better library, IMHO, although it's not much more than talking X11 yourself. With Xlib, it seems like they tried to make things 'easier' by having high level concepts and a lot of synchronous apis, but they don't really fit on top of X, so you're fighting the library. Unfortunately, xcb came later and lots of things were already built on xlib, so lots of software has unnecessary synchronicity that makes things slow when you use the network stuff.
donio 3y ago
Working with X11 client libraries written in other languages is a revelation in how much nicer an X11 client can be. CLX (Common Lisp) or xgb (Go) are some good examples. (Talking about native implementations here not xlib bindings).
vidarh 3y ago
Same here. My window manager, terminal, (very basic) file manager all use pure Ruby X11 bindings, and the more I looked at where Xlib deviates (wraps, obscures) the protocol, the more places it felt easier to just use the X requests directly. I haven't looked at XCB much, but my understanding is that it's a much more direct binding to the X protocol, so if I were to write an X client in C using a client library, I'd almost certainly look at XCB rather than Xlib.
- BirAdam 3y ago
  I’d love to check out your Ruby code. Link?
  - freedomben 3y ago
    I'm not GP, but I'm pretty sure this is it: https://github.com/vidarh/rubywm https://github.com/vidarh/rubywm I remember seeing this on HN a few months ago and thought it was super cool. Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39087609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39087609
- freedomben 3y ago
  I remember seeing this on HN a few months ago! Looks pretty badass. I plan to play around with it when I get some time. I love Ruby, and have long loved the idea of a WM/desktop in Ruby. A friend of mine is diehard Xmonad user and the power of being able to write code to extend the WM is fascinating. Also just wanted to let you know that I sent you an email. Don't feel obligated to respond or anything, just wanted to let you know because I sometimes get emails from people on HN but they go to an inbox I don't often check so I often don't see them until long after unless they tell me in a comment that they emailed me.
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kelnos 3y ago
Using XCB is often a much better experience than xlib.

toast0 3y ago

Yeah, I've not been a fan of xlib. xcb is a much better library, IMHO, although it's not much more than talking X11 yourself. With Xlib, it seems like they tried to make things 'easier' by having high level concepts and a lot of synchronous apis, but they don't really fit on top of X, so you're fighting the library. Unfortunately, xcb came later and lots of things were already built on xlib, so lots of software has unnecessary synchronicity that makes things slow when you use the network stuff.

donio 3y ago

Working with X11 client libraries written in other languages is a revelation in how much nicer an X11 client can be. CLX (Common Lisp) or xgb (Go) are some good examples. (Talking about native implementations here not xlib bindings).

vidarh 3y ago

Same here. My window manager, terminal, (very basic) file manager all use pure Ruby X11 bindings, and the more I looked at where Xlib deviates (wraps, obscures) the protocol, the more places it felt easier to just use the X requests directly. I haven't looked at XCB much, but my understanding is that it's a much more direct binding to the X protocol, so if I were to write an X client in C using a client library, I'd almost certainly look at XCB rather than Xlib.

BirAdam 3y ago
I’d love to check out your Ruby code. Link?
- freedomben 3y ago
  I'm not GP, but I'm pretty sure this is it: https://github.com/vidarh/rubywm https://github.com/vidarh/rubywm I remember seeing this on HN a few months ago and thought it was super cool. Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39087609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39087609
freedomben 3y ago
I remember seeing this on HN a few months ago! Looks pretty badass. I plan to play around with it when I get some time. I love Ruby, and have long loved the idea of a WM/desktop in Ruby. A friend of mine is diehard Xmonad user and the power of being able to write code to extend the WM is fascinating. Also just wanted to let you know that I sent you an email. Don't feel obligated to respond or anything, just wanted to let you know because I sometimes get emails from people on HN but they go to an inbox I don't often check so I often don't see them until long after unless they tell me in a comment that they emailed me.

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kelnos 3y ago

Using XCB is often a much better experience than xlib.