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>Ben continues in his thread, "[The moderator crackdown is] just a reminder that anything you post on any of these platforms can and will be used for profit. It

by caesil 2y ago

>Ben continues in his thread, "[The moderator crackdown is] just a reminder that anything you post on any of these platforms can and will be used for profit. It's just a matter of time until all your messages on Discord, Twitter etc. are scraped, fed into a model and sold back to you." Uh.... yeah, it's a company, not a charity. No one's forcing you to post on StackOverflow. No one's forcing you to buy a ChatGPT subscription.

readyman 2y ago
Given the lack of an alternative, should we instruct the human instinct of sharing in the pursuit of knowledge to sacrifice itself or accept the risk of exploitation? If your sorry platitude is what we have to show for it, capitalism must go to Hell.
- wordofx 2y ago
  > Given the lack of an alternative There are plenty of alternatives to everything. But no one uses them. Because why would they?
  - readyman 2y ago
    They wouldn't, because network effect, which is why there is no alternative.
Barrin92 2y ago
>Uh.... yeah, it's a company, not a charity. While this is true sites like Stackoverflow very much only function because they create the illusion that it is in fact a "community". The moment they make explicit that there is monetary value in the knowledge people post on the site it becomes obvious that the users are, using Varoufakis term, technoserfs. You're very much never supposed to notice that Reddit, SO, and so on continously extract value out of work you produce, at worst you're maybe supposed to notice an ad or two. Because if you do notice that you might actually start asking why you aren't getting paid. Which is btw funnily enough exactly what news organizations and SO have realized vis-a-vis openAI.
- caesil 2y ago
  IMO it's kind of silly and mentally corrosive to think of everything you do in these kind of transactional terms. I post on reddit because I find it enjoyable. I am not doing "work" that I think I deserve to be compensated for. Not every POST request I make to someone's server should be accompanied by a bill for my labor.

by caesil 2y ago

readyman 2y ago

Given the lack of an alternative, should we instruct the human instinct of sharing in the pursuit of knowledge to sacrifice itself or accept the risk of exploitation? If your sorry platitude is what we have to show for it, capitalism must go to Hell.

wordofx 2y ago
> Given the lack of an alternative There are plenty of alternatives to everything. But no one uses them. Because why would they?
- readyman 2y ago
  They wouldn't, because network effect, which is why there is no alternative.

Barrin92 2y ago

>Uh.... yeah, it's a company, not a charity. While this is true sites like Stackoverflow very much only function because they create the illusion that it is in fact a "community". The moment they make explicit that there is monetary value in the knowledge people post on the site it becomes obvious that the users are, using Varoufakis term, technoserfs. You're very much never supposed to notice that Reddit, SO, and so on continously extract value out of work you produce, at worst you're maybe supposed to notice an ad or two. Because if you do notice that you might actually start asking why you aren't getting paid. Which is btw funnily enough exactly what news organizations and SO have realized vis-a-vis openAI.

caesil 2y ago
IMO it's kind of silly and mentally corrosive to think of everything you do in these kind of transactional terms. I post on reddit because I find it enjoyable. I am not doing "work" that I think I deserve to be compensated for. Not every POST request I make to someone's server should be accompanied by a bill for my labor.