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> Our research shows this process – mimicking human cognitive process of forming complete sentences in mind before articulating word by word This is not how I

> Our research shows this process – mimicking human cognitive process of forming complete sentences in mind before articulating word by word This is not how I work. Is there something wrong with me?

jerbear4328 2y ago
Nor is it how I work, I think that's normal enough. I do have an idea of what I'm going to say before I say it, I think that's closer to what they meant. I think and speak in increments of ideas, not words.
- paulmd 2y ago
  > I think and speak in increments of ideas extremely common among (but not unique to) people with ASD, those "increments of ideas" are called "gestalts". https://kidtherapy.org/helpful-articles/what-is-gestalt-language-learning/ https://kidtherapy.org/helpful-articles/what-is-gestalt-lang...
Filligree 2y ago
You might not have an internal monologue. A lot of us don't, and the ones that do are equally shocked every time they find out. For what it's worth, I'm in the same boat—can form sentences, but why would I? It'd slow me down. People who don't have inner monologues tend to assume that all that stuff is some form of analogy or metaphor. It's not. It's entirely literal.
- oceanplexian 2y ago
  Do you mean in a real time conversation? Because I definitely dont "have an internal monologue about what I'm going to say" in the 100ms between when someone asks a casual question and I respond to it.
  - int_19h 2y ago
    Yes, it is possible to maintain an internal monologue in real time conversation. That is one of the reasons why some people usually take longer than 100ms to respond.
DrSiemer 2y ago
They probably do not mean people form entire sentences before expressing them, I am not aware of anybody doing that. I assume it refers to people first coming up with a global outline of what they want to say before they start speaking.
mdp2021 2y ago
"Rem tene, verba sequentur" (you hold the matter, then words come) is largely "how it works". You form logical ideas as you speak, as you speak your speech develops, so the translation is from ideas to sentences. It is not clear in which phase one would mentally form a complete sentence, nor why it should be relevant. You "see something [that makes sense]", then you describe it - iteratively.
giardini 2y ago
Probably.
snyhlxde 2y ago
In some conversations, maybe it's easier to form complete sentences. In some others, the best we can do is: have a rough draft about what to say in mind and then refine it word by word while speaking.
throwawaymaths 2y ago
Are you sure. It might not be the whole sentence, but I would find it hard to believe that in practice the way you speak or write is like hello <think> May <think> be <think> I'll <think> go <think> get <think> break <think> fast
causal 2y ago
You are probably pretty far from the LLM extreme, though, of thinking one token at a time.

jerbear4328 2y ago

Nor is it how I work, I think that's normal enough. I do have an idea of what I'm going to say before I say it, I think that's closer to what they meant. I think and speak in increments of ideas, not words.

paulmd 2y ago
> I think and speak in increments of ideas extremely common among (but not unique to) people with ASD, those "increments of ideas" are called "gestalts". https://kidtherapy.org/helpful-articles/what-is-gestalt-language-learning/ https://kidtherapy.org/helpful-articles/what-is-gestalt-lang...

Filligree 2y ago

You might not have an internal monologue. A lot of us don't, and the ones that do are equally shocked every time they find out. For what it's worth, I'm in the same boat—can form sentences, but why would I? It'd slow me down. People who don't have inner monologues tend to assume that all that stuff is some form of analogy or metaphor. It's not. It's entirely literal.

oceanplexian 2y ago
Do you mean in a real time conversation? Because I definitely dont "have an internal monologue about what I'm going to say" in the 100ms between when someone asks a casual question and I respond to it.
- int_19h 2y ago
  Yes, it is possible to maintain an internal monologue in real time conversation. That is one of the reasons why some people usually take longer than 100ms to respond.

DrSiemer 2y ago

They probably do not mean people form entire sentences before expressing them, I am not aware of anybody doing that. I assume it refers to people first coming up with a global outline of what they want to say before they start speaking.

mdp2021 2y ago

"Rem tene, verba sequentur" (you hold the matter, then words come) is largely "how it works". You form logical ideas as you speak, as you speak your speech develops, so the translation is from ideas to sentences. It is not clear in which phase one would mentally form a complete sentence, nor why it should be relevant. You "see something [that makes sense]", then you describe it - iteratively.

giardini 2y ago

Probably.

snyhlxde 2y ago

In some conversations, maybe it's easier to form complete sentences. In some others, the best we can do is: have a rough draft about what to say in mind and then refine it word by word while speaking.

throwawaymaths 2y ago

Are you sure. It might not be the whole sentence, but I would find it hard to believe that in practice the way you speak or write is like hello <think> May <think> be <think> I'll <think> go <think> get <think> break <think> fast

causal 2y ago

You are probably pretty far from the LLM extreme, though, of thinking one token at a time.