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Because some information is multi use. You can use Aspirin precursors to make heroin. You can use homing algorithms to land an egg [0] or a bomb. I also want

Because some information is multi use. You can use Aspirin precursors to make heroin. You can use homing algorithms to land an egg [0] or a bomb. I also want to set all information free, but not everyone will be ethical or responsible with it. Because while the idea (of setting all the information free) is nice, unfortunately the idea involves humans. [0]: https://youtu.be/BYVZh5kqaFg?t=651 https://youtu.be/BYVZh5kqaFg?t=651

option 3y ago
nothing wrong with knowing how to make a bomb or heroin. Obviously wrong making either for nefarious reasons but one can imagine legitimate reasons too.
- bayindirh 3y ago
  One man's legitimate is other's nefarious. One man's good is other's bad. Who decides this? Can we apply laws to thoughts or plans? Should we fund research for making Minority Report a reality or increase "proactive policing"? How to keep people safe while letting all information free? Can we educate everybody about good/bad, legitimate/nefarious so everybody stays on the same page forever? Shall we instrument this education with drugs to keep people in line like the movie Equilibrium? Questions, questions...
  - beeboobaa3 3y ago
    > Who decides this? Certainly not the techbros, even though they're trying their damnest.
    - bayindirh 3y ago
      I concur.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      Who is stopping them?
      - bayindirh 3y ago
        Maybe the techbros should stop themselves by asking "Why?!" instead of "Why not?"
drdaeman 3y ago
> but not everyone will be ethical or responsible with it Of course not. But here's the thing - if someone deems some information "unsafe", only unethical actors will have it. Kinda like a beaten (but not solved/agreed upon) gun ownership argument, but on a whole new level, because it's about gun blueprints* now. ___ *) Given a state of modern LLMs, there are high chances that a blueprint from an "unsafe AI" may be for a water gun, miss a chamber altogether, or include some unusual design decisions like having the barrel pointing down towards one's legs. And thinking about the accuracy... I guess, old farts are having the Anarchist Cookbook moment (colorized) :-)
- bayindirh 3y ago
  You're right. That's a hard problem, for sure. I'm leaning on the "information shall be free" side, but I also know the possibilities, so I can't take a hard stance for it, just because I don't all have the answers to my questions.
taneq 3y ago
I’ve seen a few vids on building Nerf sentry turrets with vision-based target tracking. That seems like it could be misused.

option 3y ago

nothing wrong with knowing how to make a bomb or heroin. Obviously wrong making either for nefarious reasons but one can imagine legitimate reasons too.

bayindirh 3y ago
One man's legitimate is other's nefarious. One man's good is other's bad. Who decides this? Can we apply laws to thoughts or plans? Should we fund research for making Minority Report a reality or increase "proactive policing"? How to keep people safe while letting all information free? Can we educate everybody about good/bad, legitimate/nefarious so everybody stays on the same page forever? Shall we instrument this education with drugs to keep people in line like the movie Equilibrium? Questions, questions...
- beeboobaa3 3y ago
  > Who decides this? Certainly not the techbros, even though they're trying their damnest.
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    I concur.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    Who is stopping them?
    - bayindirh 3y ago
      Maybe the techbros should stop themselves by asking "Why?!" instead of "Why not?"

drdaeman 3y ago

> but not everyone will be ethical or responsible with it Of course not. But here's the thing - if someone deems some information "unsafe", only unethical actors will have it. Kinda like a beaten (but not solved/agreed upon) gun ownership argument, but on a whole new level, because it's about gun blueprints* now. ___ *) Given a state of modern LLMs, there are high chances that a blueprint from an "unsafe AI" may be for a water gun, miss a chamber altogether, or include some unusual design decisions like having the barrel pointing down towards one's legs. And thinking about the accuracy... I guess, old farts are having the Anarchist Cookbook moment (colorized) :-)

bayindirh 3y ago
You're right. That's a hard problem, for sure. I'm leaning on the "information shall be free" side, but I also know the possibilities, so I can't take a hard stance for it, just because I don't all have the answers to my questions.

taneq 3y ago

I’ve seen a few vids on building Nerf sentry turrets with vision-based target tracking. That seems like it could be misused.