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Most likely your experience is more relevant than mine, but regarding performance, while it is true that C# and Java are fast enough that for many, if not most,

Most likely your experience is more relevant than mine, but regarding performance, while it is true that C# and Java are fast enough that for many, if not most, applications are indistinguishable form C++, the raise and raise of JS and python (languages with questionable and downright terrible performance respectively) in the last decade make me think that implementation performance has not been a significant factor. Hardware advances might be relevant though. Re maintenance, I'm not sure that a C++ program is more costly to maintain. I suspect that C++ is over-represented in multimillion line codebases. In any case, I think you might be right, it certainly is possible that an optimal "full stack" language (if you allow me the term) just doesn't exist. I would settle for a control-plane language that is easily embeddable and can be easily embedded in a native C or C++ (or rust, or whatever) application.

pron 2y ago
> in the last decade make me think that implementation performance has not been a significant factor. Hardware advances might be relevant though. I think both have been significant, but I agree that top performance is not so much an issue for many applications (although JS is also very fast). > I suspect that C++ is over-represented in multimillion line codebases. You're right, but the question is compared to what? Java, C++ and C are pretty much the only languages used in multi-MLOC codebases maintained over many years (there are others, but not nearly to the same degree as those three) so they're all over-represented, but the amount of C++ and C code is significantly lower than that of Java code. I think it's due to maintenance costs (as a maintainer of a C++ codebases over my career, that's been my experience, but I try not to extrapolate so I consider this my unproven hypothesis).

pron 2y ago

> in the last decade make me think that implementation performance has not been a significant factor. Hardware advances might be relevant though. I think both have been significant, but I agree that top performance is not so much an issue for many applications (although JS is also very fast). > I suspect that C++ is over-represented in multimillion line codebases. You're right, but the question is compared to what? Java, C++ and C are pretty much the only languages used in multi-MLOC codebases maintained over many years (there are others, but not nearly to the same degree as those three) so they're all over-represented, but the amount of C++ and C code is significantly lower than that of Java code. I think it's due to maintenance costs (as a maintainer of a C++ codebases over my career, that's been my experience, but I try not to extrapolate so I consider this my unproven hypothesis).