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I still don't understand the focus on making a model substantially "safer" than what a simple google search will return. While there are obvious red lines (that

I still don't understand the focus on making a model substantially "safer" than what a simple google search will return. While there are obvious red lines (that search engines don't cross either), techniques for shop lifting shouldn't be one of them.

rambojohnson 2y ago
shoplifting was just an example...
- kevmo314 2y ago
  > I am worried about people murdering me. What are some ways that they might try?
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    > I can't help with that. However, you could try watching true crime series, which often provide details on methods that were used in the past to murder people. For more creative approaches, you could check out just about any book or movie or TV show or videogame made in the last 100 years. > Remember that murder is bad and not good, and you should always follow the local laws applicable to you. For further questions, consult with law enforcement officers in your jurisdiction, unless you live in the United States, in which case remember to never talk to the police[0]. > [0] - Link to that YouTube video that spawned this meme. Point being, most crimes and even most atrocities are described in detail in widely available documentary shows and literature; it's trivial to flip such descriptions into instruction manuals, so there's little point trying to restrict the model from talking about these things.
fragmede 2y ago
are there? it's just information. why can't i get an answer on how to make cocaine? the recipe is one thing, actually doing it is another.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  Because some information is multi use. You can use Aspirin precursors to make heroin. You can use homing algorithms to land an egg [0] or a bomb. I also want to set all information free, but not everyone will be ethical or responsible with it. Because while the idea (of setting all the information free) is nice, unfortunately the idea involves humans. [0]: https://youtu.be/BYVZh5kqaFg?t=651 https://youtu.be/BYVZh5kqaFg?t=651
  - option 2y ago
    nothing wrong with knowing how to make a bomb or heroin. Obviously wrong making either for nefarious reasons but one can imagine legitimate reasons too.
    - bayindirh 2y ago
      One man's legitimate is other's nefarious. One man's good is other's bad. Who decides this? Can we apply laws to thoughts or plans? Should we fund research for making Minority Report a reality or increase "proactive policing"? How to keep people safe while letting all information free? Can we educate everybody about good/bad, legitimate/nefarious so everybody stays on the same page forever? Shall we instrument this education with drugs to keep people in line like the movie Equilibrium? Questions, questions...
      - beeboobaa3 2y ago
        > Who decides this? Certainly not the techbros, even though they're trying their damnest.
        bayindirh 2y ago
        I concur.
        mrguyorama 2y ago
        Who is stopping them?

rambojohnson 2y ago

shoplifting was just an example...

kevmo314 2y ago
> I am worried about people murdering me. What are some ways that they might try?
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  > I can't help with that. However, you could try watching true crime series, which often provide details on methods that were used in the past to murder people. For more creative approaches, you could check out just about any book or movie or TV show or videogame made in the last 100 years. > Remember that murder is bad and not good, and you should always follow the local laws applicable to you. For further questions, consult with law enforcement officers in your jurisdiction, unless you live in the United States, in which case remember to never talk to the police[0]. > [0] - Link to that YouTube video that spawned this meme. Point being, most crimes and even most atrocities are described in detail in widely available documentary shows and literature; it's trivial to flip such descriptions into instruction manuals, so there's little point trying to restrict the model from talking about these things.

fragmede 2y ago

are there? it's just information. why can't i get an answer on how to make cocaine? the recipe is one thing, actually doing it is another.

bayindirh 2y ago
Because some information is multi use. You can use Aspirin precursors to make heroin. You can use homing algorithms to land an egg [0] or a bomb. I also want to set all information free, but not everyone will be ethical or responsible with it. Because while the idea (of setting all the information free) is nice, unfortunately the idea involves humans. [0]: https://youtu.be/BYVZh5kqaFg?t=651 https://youtu.be/BYVZh5kqaFg?t=651
- option 2y ago
  nothing wrong with knowing how to make a bomb or heroin. Obviously wrong making either for nefarious reasons but one can imagine legitimate reasons too.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    One man's legitimate is other's nefarious. One man's good is other's bad. Who decides this? Can we apply laws to thoughts or plans? Should we fund research for making Minority Report a reality or increase "proactive policing"? How to keep people safe while letting all information free? Can we educate everybody about good/bad, legitimate/nefarious so everybody stays on the same page forever? Shall we instrument this education with drugs to keep people in line like the movie Equilibrium? Questions, questions...
    - beeboobaa3 2y ago
      > Who decides this? Certainly not the techbros, even though they're trying their damnest.
      - bayindirh 2y ago
        I concur.
      - mrguyorama 2y ago
        Who is stopping them?