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This is really cool from a technology point of view but the main attraction of climbing for me is figuring out how to "solve" the climb. Trying to solve a crux

This is really cool from a technology point of view but the main attraction of climbing for me is figuring out how to "solve" the climb. Trying to solve a crux with a buddy is half of the fun for me.

eigelc 2y ago
And a quarter of the other half is asking people in the gym how to do it.
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crazygringo 2y ago
Right, but for people in their first couple of years of climbing, it can be really helpful to try to solve it, then see what the AI coach says, examine the diff, and thereby improve your solving and climbing skills. I have definitely discovered in my life that I learn probably 10x faster in situations where I can try something, and then immediately compare it with an expert solution. Rather than just trying and trying and trying on my own. And once you're experienced in climbing (like you probably are), then of course you don't need to compare anymore. The joy is in the solving. But expert solutions are really helpful to get to the point where you can consider yourself experienced, so much more quickly.
- et-al 2y ago
  With bouldering, the set of moves is fairly limited and what actually prevents someone from pulling harder comes down to flexibility, core strength, and contact strength.
  - crazygringo 2y ago
    OK, but the submission and conversation here isn't about bouldering. This is about wall climbing where there's lots of choice for moves.
    - IanCal 2y ago
      I'm not sure what definition you're using here but the example video on the main page is bouldering.
    - et-al 2y ago
      Well if we're talking about "wall climbing", the set of moves don't expand that much as one progresses. Your technique needs to be more efficient and your transitions and balance on point, but it's not like there's a esoteric 13a move that a 10d climber hasn't seen. Sure the first time someone dyno'd on a roped climb was a sea change. Bouldering arguably has a larger set of moves than "wall climbing", but again the physicality of this sport is the crux for most people. One can study and maybe drill all the "advanced" moves, but without the flexibility and strength to execute on microholds, that knowledge is useless.

This is really cool from a technology point of view but the main attraction of climbing for me is figuring out how to "solve" the climb. Trying to solve a crux with a buddy is half of the fun for me.

eigelc 2y ago

And a quarter of the other half is asking people in the gym how to do it.

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crazygringo 2y ago

Right, but for people in their first couple of years of climbing, it can be really helpful to try to solve it, then see what the AI coach says, examine the diff, and thereby improve your solving and climbing skills. I have definitely discovered in my life that I learn probably 10x faster in situations where I can try something, and then immediately compare it with an expert solution. Rather than just trying and trying and trying on my own. And once you're experienced in climbing (like you probably are), then of course you don't need to compare anymore. The joy is in the solving. But expert solutions are really helpful to get to the point where you can consider yourself experienced, so much more quickly.

et-al 2y ago
With bouldering, the set of moves is fairly limited and what actually prevents someone from pulling harder comes down to flexibility, core strength, and contact strength.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  OK, but the submission and conversation here isn't about bouldering. This is about wall climbing where there's lots of choice for moves.
  - IanCal 2y ago
    I'm not sure what definition you're using here but the example video on the main page is bouldering.
  - et-al 2y ago
    Well if we're talking about "wall climbing", the set of moves don't expand that much as one progresses. Your technique needs to be more efficient and your transitions and balance on point, but it's not like there's a esoteric 13a move that a 10d climber hasn't seen. Sure the first time someone dyno'd on a roped climb was a sea change. Bouldering arguably has a larger set of moves than "wall climbing", but again the physicality of this sport is the crux for most people. One can study and maybe drill all the "advanced" moves, but without the flexibility and strength to execute on microholds, that knowledge is useless.