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Adults could potentially protect themselves, children absolutely can't.

com2kid 2y ago
When facing off against an army of ML engineers and psychologists? It is obvious that even adults are suffering negative consequences from social media, and if it isn't obvious, take a look at any of the studies showing the negative impact on adults of social media usage. Every single consumer is outmatched. The only winning choice is to not play at all.
- Aurornis 2y ago
  > Every single consumer is outmatched. The only winning choice is to not play at all. If someone can't handle their social media usage, you're right that they should stay away. But this idea that "every single consumer" can't handle it is patently false. The vast majority of social media users aren't completely sucked in to their apps and phones. The time spent on platform graph for every platform has a long tail where the addicts reside, but most people just don't get in that deep. It can seem that way when you're surrounded by addicts or, more commonly, when your social interaction comes primarily through social media (because addicts are over-represented, obviously). However, what you're missing is all of the people who aren't engaged in social media all day every day.
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- onemoresoop 2y ago
  While I 100% agree with these statements, I still think children should take priority and are more vulnerable than the vulnerable adults. Eventually this whole dark pattern enterprise should be stopped. I see it spread its tentacles towards children and children who are compromise so early in their development may be damaged too much to be able to have a full recovery.
avgDev 2y ago
I'm an adult, history of ADHD. Youtube, facebook, reddit is a disease for me. I am a moderator of some niche subreddits but if I stray away I will find myself stuck reading comments and engaging in conversations for hours. I take steps by not using my phone during work or after a certain time but it is extremely difficult and I still fall into the trap and watch some shorts for 2-3 hours at a time. I'm not stupid either, graduated with honors in CS and people consider me really smart. My brain just likes how it makes me feel. Now, I have a fear what all this stuff will do to my child, if even I have trouble with it. I hate almost everything about the modern commercialized web and really miss irc and forums.
- emayljames 2y ago
  For now at least, reddit doesnt seem to have all those dark patterns you see on say FB (forced refresh if you turn your screen off on mobile, minimum and deliberately bad moderating).
  - Jerrrry 2y ago
    this is so blatantly false I have assume you made an impossibly improbably amount of typographic errors. reddit is 95% bots echoing the sentiments of a few liberal elites and the 5% of real users are childless aged women. No sexism, this is facts.
  - Aurornis 2y ago
    > reddit doesnt seem to have all those dark patterns you see on say FB Reddit is one of the worst offenders for rage bait, algorithmic feeds, content farming, and vacuous content. > (forced refresh if you turn your screen off on mobile, minimum and deliberately bad moderating). Reddit absolutely refreshes your feed under certain circumstances depending on the platform, such as hitting the back button. Your claims about moderation are also completely backward. People complain about Facebook being too sensitive about moderation, but Reddit is basically the wild west. Nearly anything goes on Reddit and the mainstream subreddits are frequently full of highly upvoted misinformation.
- Aurornis 2y ago
8note 2y ago
Children have legal guardians, who are responsible for their safety. If the adult an protect themselves, they can protect the children they're responsible for too
- onemoresoop 2y ago
  The adult is vulnerable as hell but children are an order of magnitude more vulnerable. Consider an adult with ADHD who can't stop themselves from these traps and consider a child with the same condition, possibly the child of a parent with ADHD. The adult is at least aware something is wrong, for the child there's no baseline and the patters are ingrained deeper.

When facing off against an army of ML engineers and psychologists? It is obvious that even adults are suffering negative consequences from social media, and if it isn't obvious, take a look at any of the studies showing the negative impact on adults of social media usage. Every single consumer is outmatched. The only winning choice is to not play at all.

Aurornis 2y ago
> Every single consumer is outmatched. The only winning choice is to not play at all. If someone can't handle their social media usage, you're right that they should stay away. But this idea that "every single consumer" can't handle it is patently false. The vast majority of social media users aren't completely sucked in to their apps and phones. The time spent on platform graph for every platform has a long tail where the addicts reside, but most people just don't get in that deep. It can seem that way when you're surrounded by addicts or, more commonly, when your social interaction comes primarily through social media (because addicts are over-represented, obviously). However, what you're missing is all of the people who aren't engaged in social media all day every day.
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onemoresoop 2y ago
While I 100% agree with these statements, I still think children should take priority and are more vulnerable than the vulnerable adults. Eventually this whole dark pattern enterprise should be stopped. I see it spread its tentacles towards children and children who are compromise so early in their development may be damaged too much to be able to have a full recovery.

avgDev 2y ago

I'm an adult, history of ADHD. Youtube, facebook, reddit is a disease for me. I am a moderator of some niche subreddits but if I stray away I will find myself stuck reading comments and engaging in conversations for hours. I take steps by not using my phone during work or after a certain time but it is extremely difficult and I still fall into the trap and watch some shorts for 2-3 hours at a time. I'm not stupid either, graduated with honors in CS and people consider me really smart. My brain just likes how it makes me feel. Now, I have a fear what all this stuff will do to my child, if even I have trouble with it. I hate almost everything about the modern commercialized web and really miss irc and forums.

emayljames 2y ago
For now at least, reddit doesnt seem to have all those dark patterns you see on say FB (forced refresh if you turn your screen off on mobile, minimum and deliberately bad moderating).
- Jerrrry 2y ago
  this is so blatantly false I have assume you made an impossibly improbably amount of typographic errors. reddit is 95% bots echoing the sentiments of a few liberal elites and the 5% of real users are childless aged women. No sexism, this is facts.
- Aurornis 2y ago
  > reddit doesnt seem to have all those dark patterns you see on say FB Reddit is one of the worst offenders for rage bait, algorithmic feeds, content farming, and vacuous content. > (forced refresh if you turn your screen off on mobile, minimum and deliberately bad moderating). Reddit absolutely refreshes your feed under certain circumstances depending on the platform, such as hitting the back button. Your claims about moderation are also completely backward. People complain about Facebook being too sensitive about moderation, but Reddit is basically the wild west. Nearly anything goes on Reddit and the mainstream subreddits are frequently full of highly upvoted misinformation.
Aurornis 2y ago

8note 2y ago

Children have legal guardians, who are responsible for their safety. If the adult an protect themselves, they can protect the children they're responsible for too

onemoresoop 2y ago
The adult is vulnerable as hell but children are an order of magnitude more vulnerable. Consider an adult with ADHD who can't stop themselves from these traps and consider a child with the same condition, possibly the child of a parent with ADHD. The adult is at least aware something is wrong, for the child there's no baseline and the patters are ingrained deeper.