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The PE [0] is an American engineering exam. You first take the FE [1], then must apprentice under someone for some length of time (I think ten years) to be allo

The PE [0] is an American engineering exam. You first take the FE [1], then must apprentice under someone for some length of time (I think ten years) to be allowed to take the PE. Then, once you pass that, you're considered a professional engineer. [0]: https://ncees.org/exams/pe-exam/ https://ncees.org/exams/pe-exam/ [1]: https://ncees.org/exams/fe-exam/ https://ncees.org/exams/fe-exam/

taylodl 2y ago
Correct, and this gets at the heart of the matter as to why I believe engineering colleges shouldn't be conferring degrees in computer science. Degrees in computer science should be conferred by the college of arts and sciences, typically by something such as the department of mathematical sciences. I'd be down with the creation of the role of software engineer, a bona fide engineering degree, having licensure similar to the PE. In fact, given how much software is running our lives, I'd say such licensure is long overdue.
- HeyLaughingBoy 2y ago
  Texas tried it. Doesn't look like it worked out so well. https://pels.texas.gov/software.html https://pels.texas.gov/software.html
  - taylodl 2y ago
    When does anything Texas tries work out so well?! :) Seriously though, the biggest problem is separating knowledge of programming languages and libraries from actual software engineering. The challenge there is we don't have a good definition of software engineering and how we'd go about doing that. I think it'd be a great start if, as an industry, we actually sit down to figure out what software engineering is.
    - HeyLaughingBoy 2y ago
      I hope we have a good definition of software engineering, since I have a degree in it, but I'm biased. https://www.computer.org/education/bodies-of-knowledge/software-engineering https://www.computer.org/education/bodies-of-knowledge/softw...
StefanBatory 2y ago
I skimmed at the topics of few them. It certainly seems impressive to me.
vunderba 2y ago
There's no such apprenticeship criteria required for many states. Some do have a minimal amount of work experience, but it's usually a couple years and no more. The part about needing to take the FE before the PE is correct though.

taylodl 2y ago

Correct, and this gets at the heart of the matter as to why I believe engineering colleges shouldn't be conferring degrees in computer science. Degrees in computer science should be conferred by the college of arts and sciences, typically by something such as the department of mathematical sciences. I'd be down with the creation of the role of software engineer, a bona fide engineering degree, having licensure similar to the PE. In fact, given how much software is running our lives, I'd say such licensure is long overdue.

HeyLaughingBoy 2y ago
Texas tried it. Doesn't look like it worked out so well. https://pels.texas.gov/software.html https://pels.texas.gov/software.html
- taylodl 2y ago
  When does anything Texas tries work out so well?! :) Seriously though, the biggest problem is separating knowledge of programming languages and libraries from actual software engineering. The challenge there is we don't have a good definition of software engineering and how we'd go about doing that. I think it'd be a great start if, as an industry, we actually sit down to figure out what software engineering is.
  - HeyLaughingBoy 2y ago
    I hope we have a good definition of software engineering, since I have a degree in it, but I'm biased. https://www.computer.org/education/bodies-of-knowledge/software-engineering https://www.computer.org/education/bodies-of-knowledge/softw...

StefanBatory 2y ago

I skimmed at the topics of few them. It certainly seems impressive to me.

vunderba 2y ago

There's no such apprenticeship criteria required for many states. Some do have a minimal amount of work experience, but it's usually a couple years and no more. The part about needing to take the FE before the PE is correct though.