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"Almost ready" as a claim is pretty meaningless. It's a statement of feature status, not a prediction of when 100% completion occurs. In software, "almost" can

"Almost ready" as a claim is pretty meaningless. It's a statement of feature status, not a prediction of when 100% completion occurs. In software, "almost" can last years or decades.

kube-system 3y ago
Musk has been citing more precise estimates (e.g. "end of the year") for years.
ceejayoz 3y ago
He's been frequently far more specific than that on timelines. 2018: "By next year, a Tesla should be able to drive around a parking lot, find an empty spot, read signs to confirm it’s valid & park." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1057690425710891009 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1057690425710891009 2016: "In ~2 years, summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders, eg you're in LA and the car is in NY." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/686279251293777920 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/686279251293777920 It won't be hard to demonstrate some purchasers factored these claims into their decisions.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  "a Tesla", not "all Teslas". And of course "should" not "will". And so on. If his press releases are to be treated like contracts that he can be held to, then the verbiage needs to be parsed as if his words were contracts. That's just not going to go very well for the people litigating that he made false claims. Which gives the impression that the litigation isn't so much about punishing the wrongs he has committed, as they are about punishing the person that no one likes. Maybe there are other tweets that are better examples of your argument, I'll wait to see if they come up in any of the umpteen fluff articles we'll see over the next few months. In the meantime though, this seems more than a little unfounded.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    > "a Tesla", not "all Teslas" Cool. Is there a single Tesla currently capable of it eight years on? > If his press releases are to be treated like contracts that he can be held to, then the verbiage needs to be parsed as if his words were contracts. Contracts aren't the only way to make a fraudulent marketing promise. You can be sued for false advertising, for example.
  - pjc50 2y ago
    > If his press releases are to be treated like contracts that he can be held to Are you familiar with Carbolic Smoke Ball?
peutetre 3y ago
In 2019 Musk claimed there would "for sure" be over a million Tesla robotaxis on the road by the end of 2020: https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-million-tesla-robotaxis-by-the-end-of-2020-where-are-they https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-mil... That was a lie.
- ProxCoques 3y ago
  Thanks - I'll add that one to my timeline: https://webtorque.org/fsd-timeline.html https://webtorque.org/fsd-timeline.html
Veserv 3y ago
In 2019:“ I think we will be feature-complete full self-driving this year, meaning the car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention — this year. I would say that I am certain of that. That is not a question mark." [1]. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-doubles-down-on-claim-about-self-driving-tech-2019-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-doubles-down-on-cl...

"Almost ready" as a claim is pretty meaningless. It's a statement of feature status, not a prediction of when 100% completion occurs. In software, "almost" can last years or decades.

kube-system 3y ago

Musk has been citing more precise estimates (e.g. "end of the year") for years.

ceejayoz 3y ago

He's been frequently far more specific than that on timelines. 2018: "By next year, a Tesla should be able to drive around a parking lot, find an empty spot, read signs to confirm it’s valid & park." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1057690425710891009 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1057690425710891009 2016: "In ~2 years, summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders, eg you're in LA and the car is in NY." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/686279251293777920 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/686279251293777920 It won't be hard to demonstrate some purchasers factored these claims into their decisions.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
"a Tesla", not "all Teslas". And of course "should" not "will". And so on. If his press releases are to be treated like contracts that he can be held to, then the verbiage needs to be parsed as if his words were contracts. That's just not going to go very well for the people litigating that he made false claims. Which gives the impression that the litigation isn't so much about punishing the wrongs he has committed, as they are about punishing the person that no one likes. Maybe there are other tweets that are better examples of your argument, I'll wait to see if they come up in any of the umpteen fluff articles we'll see over the next few months. In the meantime though, this seems more than a little unfounded.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  > "a Tesla", not "all Teslas" Cool. Is there a single Tesla currently capable of it eight years on? > If his press releases are to be treated like contracts that he can be held to, then the verbiage needs to be parsed as if his words were contracts. Contracts aren't the only way to make a fraudulent marketing promise. You can be sued for false advertising, for example.
- pjc50 2y ago
  > If his press releases are to be treated like contracts that he can be held to Are you familiar with Carbolic Smoke Ball?

peutetre 3y ago

In 2019 Musk claimed there would "for sure" be over a million Tesla robotaxis on the road by the end of 2020: https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-million-tesla-robotaxis-by-the-end-of-2020-where-are-they https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-mil... That was a lie.

ProxCoques 3y ago
Thanks - I'll add that one to my timeline: https://webtorque.org/fsd-timeline.html https://webtorque.org/fsd-timeline.html

Veserv 3y ago

In 2019:“ I think we will be feature-complete full self-driving this year, meaning the car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention — this year. I would say that I am certain of that. That is not a question mark." [1]. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-doubles-down-on-claim-about-self-driving-tech-2019-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-doubles-down-on-cl...