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In the time you took writing this comment you could've gotten the repo created and the title and description filled out. Writing text in a public readme.md woul

In the time you took writing this comment you could've gotten the repo created and the title and description filled out. Writing text in a public readme.md would serve you better than sending it to me.

bobthepanda 2y ago
I have side projects, but I don't expect every candidate to, nor do I expect every candidate to be a religious reader of every HN comment thread.
- willcipriano 2y ago
  I'm not saying it should be mandatory, but they would have to show mastery some other way. Whiteboard? Live coding? Project? I think a side project opens up the opportunity to skip that for a project presentation. This is a lot more in line with real life as you would typically code and later present that work to others. You would defend it to some degree, why you made choice A vs choice B. If you created it, you'll be able to do that. Doesn't need to be a huge thing. Just show you can do anything at all really at the junior level. Intermediates can show mastery in a framework with something with slightly more complexity than a "hello world".
  - pseudalopex 2y ago
    > I'm not saying it should be mandatory, but they would have to show mastery some other way. Whiteboard? Live coding? Project? godelski said your resume should really be GitHub. You could have said this instead of sarcasm.
    - willcipriano 2y ago
      Typically the people without side projects also make excuses to not do those either. If I had a company I'd offer looking over an existing project or a project where you create a side project of your choice without any further direction. So not mandatory but the easiest way to go probably. Once you apply to my company you'll have one to show for next time at least. (If you want to write the project out on the whiteboard instead I guess feel free, that seems hard though.)
      - pseudalopex 2y ago
        Many people do not have side projects. Few people working as software engineers were not tested in some way. I think it's more useful and more fair to give candidates some direction when I request something. What scope is enough? What tests are enough? We define side project differently or you would expect much more time from candidates than I do.
        willcipriano 2y ago
        > What scope is enough? What tests are enough? How each candidate answers each question themselves tells you about them.
        pseudalopex 2y ago
        I used to think so. But real tasks have acceptance criteria. Seeing how candidates work with loose criteria has told me more than telling them in effect to read my mind.

bobthepanda 2y ago

I have side projects, but I don't expect every candidate to, nor do I expect every candidate to be a religious reader of every HN comment thread.

willcipriano 2y ago
I'm not saying it should be mandatory, but they would have to show mastery some other way. Whiteboard? Live coding? Project? I think a side project opens up the opportunity to skip that for a project presentation. This is a lot more in line with real life as you would typically code and later present that work to others. You would defend it to some degree, why you made choice A vs choice B. If you created it, you'll be able to do that. Doesn't need to be a huge thing. Just show you can do anything at all really at the junior level. Intermediates can show mastery in a framework with something with slightly more complexity than a "hello world".
- pseudalopex 2y ago
  > I'm not saying it should be mandatory, but they would have to show mastery some other way. Whiteboard? Live coding? Project? godelski said your resume should really be GitHub. You could have said this instead of sarcasm.
  - willcipriano 2y ago
    Typically the people without side projects also make excuses to not do those either. If I had a company I'd offer looking over an existing project or a project where you create a side project of your choice without any further direction. So not mandatory but the easiest way to go probably. Once you apply to my company you'll have one to show for next time at least. (If you want to write the project out on the whiteboard instead I guess feel free, that seems hard though.)
    - pseudalopex 2y ago
      Many people do not have side projects. Few people working as software engineers were not tested in some way. I think it's more useful and more fair to give candidates some direction when I request something. What scope is enough? What tests are enough? We define side project differently or you would expect much more time from candidates than I do.
      - willcipriano 2y ago
        > What scope is enough? What tests are enough? How each candidate answers each question themselves tells you about them.
        pseudalopex 2y ago
        I used to think so. But real tasks have acceptance criteria. Seeing how candidates work with loose criteria has told me more than telling them in effect to read my mind.