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I think Musk is just relaying the promises he receives from ML/AI guys he employes. As far as I know FSD has always been a paid option.

jajko 2y ago
This is irrelevant, he is public CEO and has tons of responsibilities. Basically lying to millions of customers in very public manner is a serious issue.
mikestew 2y ago
And after years of publicly looking like a lying car salesman, why would he still listen to those employees? I don’t think it’s the line employees that are lying here.
- lolc 2y ago
  The way I understood it went down for the CEO: 1. Made optimistic claims about future product. 2. Some of the people tasked with implementation disagreed about optimistic claim. 3. Those people got fired for underperforming. 4. All people on the team tasked with implementation agree with optimistic claim. 5. Doubled down on the promise. Repeat every year. I can't see how a CEO could be blamed in this scenario, as clearly they were lied to by their subordinates.
  - _akhe 2y ago
    The CEO is still responsible for their own employees, CEO hired them or directed them to be hired, the CEO (especially this CEO) runs the company. Lying about features or the number of cars being produced etc. can't be limited to mere optimism because they mentioned specific numbers in a public way that were not true. > fired for underperforming The irony, since Musk destroys every brand and product he's ever touched. I've never seen a more polar opposite to the Midas effect at work. It has to be intentional.
    - lolc 2y ago
      Why should a CEO be responsible for their employees if they could instead take a huge pay package which they are obviously entitled to given they have to work around their lying employees? That too was sarcasm :-) You shouldn't be too hard on Musk regarding the "destroys" though: Many people are so incompetent you don't even get to hear about their failures! And others loot professionally without you ever getting to know about it. You have to ignore a lot to state "it has to be intentional".
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  - danaris 2y ago
    Satire requires a clarity of purpose and target, lest it be mistaken for, and contribute to, that which it intends to criticize. See also: Poe's Law. Unless you include some clear indicator that you are being sarcastic, posts like this will be seen as fully sincere by many, many people.
    - lolc 2y ago
      True. Sometimes the disconnect bothers me more, sometimes less. There's the hilarity of having fanboys agree with me, which happens sometimes when Tesla's on the menu.
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kube-system 2y ago
Given what I've read about his management style, I doubt it's like that. Probably more like: Musk: Hey get your shit together I want this done by the end of the year Team: Okay we'll try Musk: Okay we'll plan on that
adrr 2y ago
I am sure if he allowed customers to get refunds on FSD, the DOJ wouldn't open a criminal case.
windexh8er 2y ago
FSD, in its current iteration, is not what Musk has promised since 2016. FSD is not autonomous or even remotely close to driverless operation as he's claimed it would be. FSD is ultimately a marketing gimmick.

jajko 2y ago

This is irrelevant, he is public CEO and has tons of responsibilities. Basically lying to millions of customers in very public manner is a serious issue.

mikestew 2y ago

And after years of publicly looking like a lying car salesman, why would he still listen to those employees? I don’t think it’s the line employees that are lying here.

lolc 2y ago
The way I understood it went down for the CEO: 1. Made optimistic claims about future product. 2. Some of the people tasked with implementation disagreed about optimistic claim. 3. Those people got fired for underperforming. 4. All people on the team tasked with implementation agree with optimistic claim. 5. Doubled down on the promise. Repeat every year. I can't see how a CEO could be blamed in this scenario, as clearly they were lied to by their subordinates.
- _akhe 2y ago
  The CEO is still responsible for their own employees, CEO hired them or directed them to be hired, the CEO (especially this CEO) runs the company. Lying about features or the number of cars being produced etc. can't be limited to mere optimism because they mentioned specific numbers in a public way that were not true. > fired for underperforming The irony, since Musk destroys every brand and product he's ever touched. I've never seen a more polar opposite to the Midas effect at work. It has to be intentional.
  - lolc 2y ago
    Why should a CEO be responsible for their employees if they could instead take a huge pay package which they are obviously entitled to given they have to work around their lying employees? That too was sarcasm :-) You shouldn't be too hard on Musk regarding the "destroys" though: Many people are so incompetent you don't even get to hear about their failures! And others loot professionally without you ever getting to know about it. You have to ignore a lot to state "it has to be intentional".
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- danaris 2y ago
  Satire requires a clarity of purpose and target, lest it be mistaken for, and contribute to, that which it intends to criticize. See also: Poe's Law. Unless you include some clear indicator that you are being sarcastic, posts like this will be seen as fully sincere by many, many people.
  - lolc 2y ago
    True. Sometimes the disconnect bothers me more, sometimes less. There's the hilarity of having fanboys agree with me, which happens sometimes when Tesla's on the menu.

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kube-system 2y ago

Given what I've read about his management style, I doubt it's like that. Probably more like: Musk: Hey get your shit together I want this done by the end of the year Team: Okay we'll try Musk: Okay we'll plan on that

adrr 2y ago

I am sure if he allowed customers to get refunds on FSD, the DOJ wouldn't open a criminal case.

windexh8er 2y ago

FSD, in its current iteration, is not what Musk has promised since 2016. FSD is not autonomous or even remotely close to driverless operation as he's claimed it would be. FSD is ultimately a marketing gimmick.