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It's nice to see all that effort by the many being monetized by the few so that the many can be off loaded making more money for the few. Well played, well pla

It's nice to see all that effort by the many being monetized by the few so that the many can be off loaded making more money for the few. Well played, well played. Strange game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOoXwxqeVzg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOoXwxqeVzg

gruez 2y ago
>It's nice to see all that effort by the many being monetized by the few That's how the internet worked since web 2.0. Generative AI training is just another way it's being monetized.
duxup 2y ago
The many should think about who they give content to. To some extent that’s on them. I doubt they had any reasonable expectation that Stack Overflow was a charity. Also my answer about centering a Div… really isn’t worth much.
golol 2y ago
Who is harmed by this deal between Stackoverflow and OpenAI? What’s the problem with OpenAI profiting of the content on Stackoverflow? I profit of it, everyone does. The whole point is to share knowledge for anyone to profit off. There is absolutely no real issue unless one starts arguing about slippery slopes where Stackoverflow monetizes its platform and the website becomes unusable due to AI spam etc. I find these fears quite unrealistic.
- KennyBlanken 2y ago
  Let's say you spend days or weeks making a piece of art for a friend for their birthday. 2, 3 years later it's no longer hanging their bedroom, and you ask, and they tell you they sold it for $50k. You'd be a bit annoyed on multiple fronts....
  - gruez 2y ago
    >2, 3 years later it's no longer hanging their bedroom, and you ask, and they tell you they sold it for $50k. The analogy fails because in this case, the painting is still on their bedroom, just like how the guy's stackoverflow answer is still on stackoverflow. Moreover, when you contribute to stackoverflow, you agree that your work is licensed under a creative commons license. So it's the equivalent of giving your friend a painting, telling them "oh btw you can do whatever you want with it, as long as you attribute back to me", and then get mad that they digitized it and put it on their blog. Finally, let's be real here. This isn't a painting worth $50k. No one's comment is worth anywhere near that. It's hilarious how many of the same talking points from discussions on piracy from a decade ago has been reused in discussions about LLM training data (eg. "piracy = theft" -> "LLM training = theft")
  - Gigachad 2y ago
    Stackoverflow isn’t your friend. It’s more like you donated it to a thrift shop and they resold it for $10.
- int_19h 2y ago
  When I posted my answers on SO, I did it under CC-BY-SA license, as did all other contributors. Which means that a derived work of those answers - which a model trained on them surely is by any reasonable interpretation - has to abide by those terms. Meaning that it needs to attribute all the questions on which it was trained (i.e. at least part of the training set must be public), and the weights themselves need to be distributed under the same license. So long as OpenAI abides by these terms, I don't have any problem with them using my answers for training. Do you think they will?
infecto 2y ago
SO has always been a for profit company.
cynicalsecurity 2y ago
That's why you must stop contributing your content to other people's projects and start working on your own projects instead. Do not submit answers to StackOverflow, write articles for your own blog/personal web-site instead.
- remram 2y ago
  Because OpenAI does not crawl the web?

gruez 2y ago

>It's nice to see all that effort by the many being monetized by the few That's how the internet worked since web 2.0. Generative AI training is just another way it's being monetized.

duxup 2y ago

The many should think about who they give content to. To some extent that’s on them. I doubt they had any reasonable expectation that Stack Overflow was a charity. Also my answer about centering a Div… really isn’t worth much.

golol 2y ago

Who is harmed by this deal between Stackoverflow and OpenAI? What’s the problem with OpenAI profiting of the content on Stackoverflow? I profit of it, everyone does. The whole point is to share knowledge for anyone to profit off. There is absolutely no real issue unless one starts arguing about slippery slopes where Stackoverflow monetizes its platform and the website becomes unusable due to AI spam etc. I find these fears quite unrealistic.

KennyBlanken 2y ago
Let's say you spend days or weeks making a piece of art for a friend for their birthday. 2, 3 years later it's no longer hanging their bedroom, and you ask, and they tell you they sold it for $50k. You'd be a bit annoyed on multiple fronts....
- gruez 2y ago
  >2, 3 years later it's no longer hanging their bedroom, and you ask, and they tell you they sold it for $50k. The analogy fails because in this case, the painting is still on their bedroom, just like how the guy's stackoverflow answer is still on stackoverflow. Moreover, when you contribute to stackoverflow, you agree that your work is licensed under a creative commons license. So it's the equivalent of giving your friend a painting, telling them "oh btw you can do whatever you want with it, as long as you attribute back to me", and then get mad that they digitized it and put it on their blog. Finally, let's be real here. This isn't a painting worth $50k. No one's comment is worth anywhere near that. It's hilarious how many of the same talking points from discussions on piracy from a decade ago has been reused in discussions about LLM training data (eg. "piracy = theft" -> "LLM training = theft")
- Gigachad 2y ago
  Stackoverflow isn’t your friend. It’s more like you donated it to a thrift shop and they resold it for $10.
int_19h 2y ago
When I posted my answers on SO, I did it under CC-BY-SA license, as did all other contributors. Which means that a derived work of those answers - which a model trained on them surely is by any reasonable interpretation - has to abide by those terms. Meaning that it needs to attribute all the questions on which it was trained (i.e. at least part of the training set must be public), and the weights themselves need to be distributed under the same license. So long as OpenAI abides by these terms, I don't have any problem with them using my answers for training. Do you think they will?

infecto 2y ago

SO has always been a for profit company.

cynicalsecurity 2y ago

That's why you must stop contributing your content to other people's projects and start working on your own projects instead. Do not submit answers to StackOverflow, write articles for your own blog/personal web-site instead.

remram 2y ago
Because OpenAI does not crawl the web?