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If you're opposed to fast and cheap, I have great news for you about the cost and pace of construction in the US.

jajko 2y ago
... which has its own reasons, namely regulations (you know, every time there was a new disaster they added another one) or maybe some corruption. You don't see bridges falling in US regularly killing tons of folks, do you. I am not saying its ideal and there is no room for improvement, nothing in real world is, but please consider other, 'fast' scenarios for long term (100+ years) existence when not only many lives are at stake.
- trelane 2y ago
  > You don't see bridges falling in US regularly killing tons of folks, do you. Falling yes. Killing is hit-or miss. I would be surprised if the reasons bridges are failing due to lack of maintenance is entirely unrelated to the cost of building. There are many ways things could be better, and many ways things could be worse. Attacking something only because it's cheaper and faster seems silly.
  - jajko 2y ago
    Please share a single recent example from US, I am only aware of one relatively recent catastrophic case from northern Italy, where maintenance was subpar. Cheaper reflects many things, overall quality testing, attention to detail, how much effort went into design etc. Its not a silver bullet but oh boy does it always show on result, without exception.
    - trelane 2y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bridge_failures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bridge_failures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Scott_Key_Bridge_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Scott_Key_Bridge_colla... was not 2 months ago. > Its not a silver bullet but oh boy does it always show on result, without exception. Permit me to show you an exception! This watch is USD59: https://www.target.com/p/men-39-s-timex-expedition-scout-watch-with-nylon-strap-gray-black-green-t49961jt/-/A-17287304 https://www.target.com/p/men-39-s-timex-expedition-scout-wat... This watch is GBP225: https://mrjoneswatches.com/products/a-perfectly-useless-evening https://mrjoneswatches.com/products/a-perfectly-useless-even... There are even more extreme examples, e.g. the watch from Richistan.

... which has its own reasons, namely regulations (you know, every time there was a new disaster they added another one) or maybe some corruption. You don't see bridges falling in US regularly killing tons of folks, do you. I am not saying its ideal and there is no room for improvement, nothing in real world is, but please consider other, 'fast' scenarios for long term (100+ years) existence when not only many lives are at stake.

trelane 2y ago
> You don't see bridges falling in US regularly killing tons of folks, do you. Falling yes. Killing is hit-or miss. I would be surprised if the reasons bridges are failing due to lack of maintenance is entirely unrelated to the cost of building. There are many ways things could be better, and many ways things could be worse. Attacking something only because it's cheaper and faster seems silly.
- jajko 2y ago
  Please share a single recent example from US, I am only aware of one relatively recent catastrophic case from northern Italy, where maintenance was subpar. Cheaper reflects many things, overall quality testing, attention to detail, how much effort went into design etc. Its not a silver bullet but oh boy does it always show on result, without exception.
  - trelane 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bridge_failures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bridge_failures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Scott_Key_Bridge_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Scott_Key_Bridge_colla... was not 2 months ago. > Its not a silver bullet but oh boy does it always show on result, without exception. Permit me to show you an exception! This watch is USD59: https://www.target.com/p/men-39-s-timex-expedition-scout-watch-with-nylon-strap-gray-black-green-t49961jt/-/A-17287304 https://www.target.com/p/men-39-s-timex-expedition-scout-wat... This watch is GBP225: https://mrjoneswatches.com/products/a-perfectly-useless-evening https://mrjoneswatches.com/products/a-perfectly-useless-even... There are even more extreme examples, e.g. the watch from Richistan.