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>The first is that human beings are, under ordinary circumstances, about as reasonable and decent as they are allowed to be, and can organize themselves and the
by hnthrow289570 2y ago
>The first is that human beings are, under ordinary circumstances, about as reasonable and decent as they are allowed to be, and can organize themselves and their communities without needing to be told how.
That's a crock of shit, look at how brutal early civilizations were compared to today. You have an argument over long terms (100+ year spans), but not in the near term.
If you want the assumption to apply to the near term, you have to accept that people behave in part based on the laws and society which they grew up with, which then makes you look weird for being against that system. That's what gives rise to the common decency.
- posterman 2y ago[flagged]
- ossobuco 2y ago> That's a crock of shit, look at how brutal early civilizations were compared to today. You have an argument over long terms (100+ year spans), but not in the near term. That's why I suppose anarchism as an ideology was born in the 19th century. You don't have to make it work through all of humankind history, just in the modern times. I say this and I'm not even an anarchist myself.
- angelsbrood 2y agoTry Graeber and Wengrow's Dawn of Everything :)
- ancap 2y agoCompared to today? In the past century hundreds of millions of people have been slaughtered by states. Compare that with any "private sector" killing, now or in "early civilization" and the mounds of bodies are non-existent by comparison.
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- AnimalMuppet 2y agoOK, but compared to today, the mounds of population are also missing. So be careful that you make a fair comparison. Counterexample: Pirates had a fairly anarchic organization - certainly more anarchic than most ships. They were still pretty good at killing people.
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- TotalCrackpot 2y agoMost civilizations created hierarchy, there are examples of somewhat anarchistic cities and civilizations that were very egalitarian and free, we can get inspiration from the to try to create a different world.
- denton-scratch 2y ago> look at how brutal early civilizations were compared to today. Perhaps you have confused anarchism with a "state of nature"? An anarchist society needs a lot of organisation.