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It’s a popular view of anti union propaganda. No one wants to work with lazy people and unions don’t especially want them either

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
There's a lot of anti-union propaganda, and some of it is self-inflicted. Anyone that has ever participated in a trade show at the Javits Center, has seen unions do serious damage to their own cause.
- alistairSH 2y ago
  Yeah, LV and NYC convention sites are probably the worst/most-obvious examples. Plenty of stories of presenters being disallowed from plugging in their own equipment without a union employee there to assist and other things like that.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
    The worst I heard, was one of our sales reps (a woman) came in, with a "weekender" purse (big purse). She was stopped at the door, and wasn't allowed to enter the main hall, for about five minutes, until someone was called over, with one of those huge, hydraulic skateboards they use for moving big furniture. They put her purse onto the center of the cart, and escorted her to the booth. Then, they got upset she only tipped one guy $5. I know these are "one-off" stories (and she probably gave attitude), but there's so many of these anecdotes, that it causes huge damage.
    - 93po 2y ago
      I think the problem is that the fast majority of workers in the US would probably have better work conditions, job security, or compensation if they were in a good union. So on one hand we have an extremely niche union that sucks, but also however many hundreds of millions of Americans as the other example of why unions are needed.
      - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
        The problem with pulling this crap at convention centers, is that the people that they are pissing off, are the exact people that they want on the side of the union.
sensanaty 2y ago
I'd rather work with a million "lazy slackers" than kiss the ass of some soulless corporate stooge who'd kill his own family if it made him 0.01% more profit YoY.
- novariation 2y ago
  Given that I've worked in consulting for years I've seen a good amount of soulless corporate types, but they're usually not that far from the average human being in most respects. Your understanding of the world isn't workable when you think tens of thousands of people are acting as unhinged mass murderers and society just accepts it.
  - sensanaty 2y ago
    Society doesn't really accept it. Most normal people have a strong distaste for your average corpo, it's just that the corporate types are also the ones with the power and resources to fuck over everyone else, and will often use their positions to do exactly that, as can be seen with any case of union busting ever, or all the mass layoffs, or the conditions in Amazon warehouses and so many other similar situations.

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago

There's a lot of anti-union propaganda, and some of it is self-inflicted. Anyone that has ever participated in a trade show at the Javits Center, has seen unions do serious damage to their own cause.

alistairSH 2y ago
Yeah, LV and NYC convention sites are probably the worst/most-obvious examples. Plenty of stories of presenters being disallowed from plugging in their own equipment without a union employee there to assist and other things like that.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  The worst I heard, was one of our sales reps (a woman) came in, with a "weekender" purse (big purse). She was stopped at the door, and wasn't allowed to enter the main hall, for about five minutes, until someone was called over, with one of those huge, hydraulic skateboards they use for moving big furniture. They put her purse onto the center of the cart, and escorted her to the booth. Then, they got upset she only tipped one guy $5. I know these are "one-off" stories (and she probably gave attitude), but there's so many of these anecdotes, that it causes huge damage.
  - 93po 2y ago
    I think the problem is that the fast majority of workers in the US would probably have better work conditions, job security, or compensation if they were in a good union. So on one hand we have an extremely niche union that sucks, but also however many hundreds of millions of Americans as the other example of why unions are needed.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
      The problem with pulling this crap at convention centers, is that the people that they are pissing off, are the exact people that they want on the side of the union.

sensanaty 2y ago

I'd rather work with a million "lazy slackers" than kiss the ass of some soulless corporate stooge who'd kill his own family if it made him 0.01% more profit YoY.

novariation 2y ago
Given that I've worked in consulting for years I've seen a good amount of soulless corporate types, but they're usually not that far from the average human being in most respects. Your understanding of the world isn't workable when you think tens of thousands of people are acting as unhinged mass murderers and society just accepts it.
- sensanaty 2y ago
  Society doesn't really accept it. Most normal people have a strong distaste for your average corpo, it's just that the corporate types are also the ones with the power and resources to fuck over everyone else, and will often use their positions to do exactly that, as can be seen with any case of union busting ever, or all the mass layoffs, or the conditions in Amazon warehouses and so many other similar situations.