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Consider that your geographical location may be biasing your top 3 worries. If you were forced to live near the equator and suffered the wet bulb temperatures f

Consider that your geographical location may be biasing your top 3 worries. If you were forced to live near the equator and suffered the wet bulb temperatures for yourself, and you couldn't afford air conditioning, I am confident you would beg to differ. Remember that you can't keep removing clothes to cool down. At a certain point you just die.

roenxi 2y ago
I cannot argue with the premise; if I were someone else I'd be someone else. But I suspect my #1 concern would be earning enough to get an air conditioner and #2 would be that no war breaks out that would threaten the ability to run it.
- hackerlight 2y ago
  Maybe that would be your mindset, but I think you haven't grappled with the potential consequences of global warming. If we get to 3-5C warming, what do you think will happen to equatorial countries where half the population can't afford air conditioning? Given that they often have wetbulb temperatures at the threshold of survivability today in the era of 1-1.5C warming, a 3-5C warming world would be catastrophic. We're talking a tremendous amount of human suffering, potential death and likely political instability and waves of mass migration to colder climates like NA and Europe. I can't see how you'd rank internal US political stability above this particular problem in the scheme of things. What about 6C warming? At what point does it become a primary concern? And what is your plan for these people in such a world, are you willing to have an open border mass migration intake policy in the global north?
  - roenxi 2y ago
    I see 3 options - the community will need to come together to prepare a communal area with air conditioner; the people with air conditioners will need to take other people in, or they will die. And I doubt they will get any help from us, but I expect it'd be more cost effective to donate air conditioners and expertise in setting up an electrical grid (which would promote prosperity) than any other approach. The answer isn't to make their life comfortable in poverty, it is to drag them up into the middle class. > At what point does it become a primary concern? If someone comes up with an outcome that makes me think "wow, this is worse than people being born without access to cheap energy!" then it'll probably make it to top 3. That is my basic test.

roenxi 2y ago

I cannot argue with the premise; if I were someone else I'd be someone else. But I suspect my #1 concern would be earning enough to get an air conditioner and #2 would be that no war breaks out that would threaten the ability to run it.

hackerlight 2y ago
Maybe that would be your mindset, but I think you haven't grappled with the potential consequences of global warming. If we get to 3-5C warming, what do you think will happen to equatorial countries where half the population can't afford air conditioning? Given that they often have wetbulb temperatures at the threshold of survivability today in the era of 1-1.5C warming, a 3-5C warming world would be catastrophic. We're talking a tremendous amount of human suffering, potential death and likely political instability and waves of mass migration to colder climates like NA and Europe. I can't see how you'd rank internal US political stability above this particular problem in the scheme of things. What about 6C warming? At what point does it become a primary concern? And what is your plan for these people in such a world, are you willing to have an open border mass migration intake policy in the global north?
- roenxi 2y ago
  I see 3 options - the community will need to come together to prepare a communal area with air conditioner; the people with air conditioners will need to take other people in, or they will die. And I doubt they will get any help from us, but I expect it'd be more cost effective to donate air conditioners and expertise in setting up an electrical grid (which would promote prosperity) than any other approach. The answer isn't to make their life comfortable in poverty, it is to drag them up into the middle class. > At what point does it become a primary concern? If someone comes up with an outcome that makes me think "wow, this is worse than people being born without access to cheap energy!" then it'll probably make it to top 3. That is my basic test.