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Why do black and hispanic students score worse?

geraldwhen 2y ago
I’m sure there are whole sociology degrees on the subject. But this is even true intra class, in kindergarten. Probably as early as preschool, from what I’ve seen here.
paulryanrogers 2y ago
Those kids are growing up in much harsher circumstances. Little money, parents working multiple jobs, homes with flaking lead paint, communities with lots of drugs and poor access to preventative healthcare. It also creates a vicious cycle where the culture adapts to distrust and discourage academic achievement, in favor of lottery odds in sports and entrepreneurship.
datavirtue 2y ago
Growing up in a book dessert.
MacsHeadroom 2y ago
Even adjusted for family wealth, income, and adversity nonimmigrants* with these backgrounds score worse at all schooling levels; even when placed in schools with double the funding per student. It would be nice if socioeconomic factors were the whole answer here. But that does not appear to be the case. Even Hispanic and Black students adopted by White families do not score much higher than peers of their ethnic group. This is a dark rabbit hole that you may not want to go down. *Legal immigrants are self selected for higher ability.
- komali2 2y ago
  > Even Hispanic and Black students adopted by White families do not score much higher than peers of their ethnic group. Are you referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption... ? Are there other studies I'm not aware of? Because that study doesn't really conclusively demonstrate the point we're discussing in this thread re: race correlating with intelligence because of genetic factors of a race itself. In fact many interpretations of the study point to socio-economic factors as the root cause of different test results (e.g. it's hard being a different race than your parents, or suddenly finding yourself growing up in wildly different socioeconomic conditions than the ones you were born and raised into ). Also worth pointing out that black children adopted into white families had higher test scores than the mean for white children nationwide.
  - MacsHeadroom 2y ago
    No that's not what I'm talking about. Yes there are other studies. Critically analyzed they all point in the same direction, including this one.

I’m sure there are whole sociology degrees on the subject. But this is even true intra class, in kindergarten. Probably as early as preschool, from what I’ve seen here.

paulryanrogers 2y ago

Those kids are growing up in much harsher circumstances. Little money, parents working multiple jobs, homes with flaking lead paint, communities with lots of drugs and poor access to preventative healthcare. It also creates a vicious cycle where the culture adapts to distrust and discourage academic achievement, in favor of lottery odds in sports and entrepreneurship.

datavirtue 2y ago

Growing up in a book dessert.

MacsHeadroom 2y ago

Even adjusted for family wealth, income, and adversity nonimmigrants* with these backgrounds score worse at all schooling levels; even when placed in schools with double the funding per student. It would be nice if socioeconomic factors were the whole answer here. But that does not appear to be the case. Even Hispanic and Black students adopted by White families do not score much higher than peers of their ethnic group. This is a dark rabbit hole that you may not want to go down. *Legal immigrants are self selected for higher ability.

komali2 2y ago
> Even Hispanic and Black students adopted by White families do not score much higher than peers of their ethnic group. Are you referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption... ? Are there other studies I'm not aware of? Because that study doesn't really conclusively demonstrate the point we're discussing in this thread re: race correlating with intelligence because of genetic factors of a race itself. In fact many interpretations of the study point to socio-economic factors as the root cause of different test results (e.g. it's hard being a different race than your parents, or suddenly finding yourself growing up in wildly different socioeconomic conditions than the ones you were born and raised into ). Also worth pointing out that black children adopted into white families had higher test scores than the mean for white children nationwide.
- MacsHeadroom 2y ago
  No that's not what I'm talking about. Yes there are other studies. Critically analyzed they all point in the same direction, including this one.