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That's a somewhat misleading way to say they're higher than the year before. This makes it sound like every day has not only been higher than the year before, b

That's a somewhat misleading way to say they're higher than the year before. This makes it sound like every day has not only been higher than the year before, but was also a new all-time high. That is not the case.

lotsofpulp 2y ago
Is that not what the daily average sea surface temperature graph is showing? The 2024 line is above all the others, as is the 2023 line from May 8 onwards. Edit: nvm, I see you are interpreting it as record breaking compared to all previous days, not just the same date in the previous calendar year.
altacc 2y ago
From the graph of the data, every day for the past 365 days has indeed been an all time high, higher than any previously recorded temperature recorded by the same method since records began in 1979. So does not appear to be misleading.
- bun_terminator 2y ago
  I don't think that's correct? The current values for example are lower than those from february
  - altacc 2y ago
    I see what you're saying. You're reading it as "every day is hotter than the previous day". The way I said it is open to misinterpretation but the article is better. It says "record-breaking year of heat" and "broken temperature records every single day over the past year," the record being the highest sea temperature for that day. Every day is an all time high for that day. The oceans are seasonally affected, so not constant temperature even averaged across the globe.
  - bergen 2y ago
    This is ignoring seasonality, of course Winter temperature can not be as high as summer temperatures but still break historic records (just as an example) This is somehow a given when talking about seasonal data.
    - bun_terminator 2y ago
      exactly - that's why actual record breaks every single day would be such a huge story! But this is pretty benign - it's almost expected that a warmer year would be warmer at every point in time.
      - ynik 2y ago
        It's expected that a warmer year would be warmer at the majority of points in time. Variance should normally result in there being both warmer and colder points. To be warmer at every point in time, the year needs to be significantly warmer.
Scarblac 2y ago
Every day in the last year has been an all time high for that date, by quite a margin.
- bun_terminator 2y ago
  for that date yes, but not overall - which is I think what could be expected from the way it's being phrased
RunSet 2y ago
> This makes it sound like every day has not only been higher than the year before, but was also a new all-time high. I do not believe a reasonable reader would begin with that assumption or arrive at that conclusion.

lotsofpulp 2y ago

Is that not what the daily average sea surface temperature graph is showing? The 2024 line is above all the others, as is the 2023 line from May 8 onwards. Edit: nvm, I see you are interpreting it as record breaking compared to all previous days, not just the same date in the previous calendar year.

altacc 2y ago

From the graph of the data, every day for the past 365 days has indeed been an all time high, higher than any previously recorded temperature recorded by the same method since records began in 1979. So does not appear to be misleading.

bun_terminator 2y ago
I don't think that's correct? The current values for example are lower than those from february
- altacc 2y ago
  I see what you're saying. You're reading it as "every day is hotter than the previous day". The way I said it is open to misinterpretation but the article is better. It says "record-breaking year of heat" and "broken temperature records every single day over the past year," the record being the highest sea temperature for that day. Every day is an all time high for that day. The oceans are seasonally affected, so not constant temperature even averaged across the globe.
- bergen 2y ago
  This is ignoring seasonality, of course Winter temperature can not be as high as summer temperatures but still break historic records (just as an example) This is somehow a given when talking about seasonal data.
  - bun_terminator 2y ago
    exactly - that's why actual record breaks every single day would be such a huge story! But this is pretty benign - it's almost expected that a warmer year would be warmer at every point in time.
    - ynik 2y ago
      It's expected that a warmer year would be warmer at the majority of points in time. Variance should normally result in there being both warmer and colder points. To be warmer at every point in time, the year needs to be significantly warmer.

Scarblac 2y ago

Every day in the last year has been an all time high for that date, by quite a margin.

bun_terminator 2y ago
for that date yes, but not overall - which is I think what could be expected from the way it's being phrased

RunSet 2y ago

> This makes it sound like every day has not only been higher than the year before, but was also a new all-time high. I do not believe a reasonable reader would begin with that assumption or arrive at that conclusion.