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> it’s about expressing ideas and feelings Yes, and spelling errors don't really matter to express yourself. > disgraceful and disrespectful toward something

by ok_dad 2y ago

> it’s about expressing ideas and feelings Yes, and spelling errors don't really matter to express yourself. > disgraceful and disrespectful toward something as magnificent and powerful as language If language wants to take that up with me, send him or her over to my place and I'll beat 'em up! But seriously, language is a tool, it's not a work of art. Things you make with language can be a work of art, so go read those instead of the misspelled crap that drives you to this level of anger. > it’s about the attitude You need to chill about other people's attitudes. You cannot affect other people, and you shouldn't let them make you see red like this. Other people's opinions and attitudes are none of your business, frankly.

keiferski 2y ago
This is exactly the reply that always comes when someone defends standards. Every time. “It’s none of your business. Don’t worry about other people. Why are you so angry?” Etc. I speak English and am a part of a culture that speaks English. That gives me some extremely minor influence on that culture, as it does for you and anyone else. So I certainly can “affect other people.” Is it so hard to believe that some people like nice things, and that creating and maintaining nice things often requires adhering to certain rules and regulations, rather than unquestioning acceptance of the selfish whims of every individual?
- ok_dad 2y ago
  Maybe become an English teacher then, instead of ranting and raving in public. Go get a job as an editor at a paper and raise the standards. Do something like that, rather than get into other people's business. People act like this about folks who police arbitrary standards because it's distasteful. English is what the whole body of humans who speak English make it, not some random Council of English Grammar. Anytime I write or say anything, it's English, no matter if I fucked the grammer or speeling up. There should not be a monopoly on communication. Some people simply don't have the ability to do perfect English grammar. Neurodiverse people can have trouble saying the right thing or using the write words. I hope you understand that not only do people hate "grammar police" because you're annoying, but also because not everyone can, needs, or wants to speak perfect English. In closing: stop being pedantic, no one likes it. I hope all my errors keep you up at night. I'm not responding further, this conversation has run it's course.
  - keiferski 2y ago
    As I said in my original comment: When it becomes socially unacceptable to insist on standards and correctness, people either don’t learn how to write properly - or they are cowed into silence when making corrections.
  - lelanthran 2y ago
    > In closing: stop being pedantic, no one likes it. You're wrong there. Also, kinda inadvertently proved the parent's point: that people rush out of the woodwork to cow everyone else into silence. > There should not be a monopoly on communication. So why are you trying to enforce your standards on someone else?
    - ok_dad 2y ago
      > So why are you trying to enforce your standards on someone else? Dude, he can speak all the proper English he wants. I’m not enforcing anything on anyone, I’m saying keep your nose out of other peoples grammar. You people give me a migraine daily, Jesus H Christ. I’m done here, you folks are insane.
      - lelanthran 2y ago
        > You people give me a migraine daily, Does this not indicate, to you, that you're holding a significant minority opinion? While neither significant minority or significant majority opinions are automatically wrong/right, if you're reacting this strongly to everyone around you, the only common factor is you. IOW, when I find that I am at odds with everyone around me, I re-examine whether or not the problem is me: did I incorrectly read the room? For example, sarcastic comments on reddit r/programming garners no real attention from the readers, while the same comment on HN gets downvoted. What I am trying to say is, read the room. BTW: you are reacting pretty emotionally to my posts, which are all (as far as I can tell, anyway) devoid of any emotion or personal remarks. GP's original complaint was also, as far as I can tell, devoid of any anger or other emotion. Your reaction was, to me, very angry with no real reason why this was so.
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keiferski 2y ago

This is exactly the reply that always comes when someone defends standards. Every time. “It’s none of your business. Don’t worry about other people. Why are you so angry?” Etc. I speak English and am a part of a culture that speaks English. That gives me some extremely minor influence on that culture, as it does for you and anyone else. So I certainly can “affect other people.” Is it so hard to believe that some people like nice things, and that creating and maintaining nice things often requires adhering to certain rules and regulations, rather than unquestioning acceptance of the selfish whims of every individual?

ok_dad 2y ago
Maybe become an English teacher then, instead of ranting and raving in public. Go get a job as an editor at a paper and raise the standards. Do something like that, rather than get into other people's business. People act like this about folks who police arbitrary standards because it's distasteful. English is what the whole body of humans who speak English make it, not some random Council of English Grammar. Anytime I write or say anything, it's English, no matter if I fucked the grammer or speeling up. There should not be a monopoly on communication. Some people simply don't have the ability to do perfect English grammar. Neurodiverse people can have trouble saying the right thing or using the write words. I hope you understand that not only do people hate "grammar police" because you're annoying, but also because not everyone can, needs, or wants to speak perfect English. In closing: stop being pedantic, no one likes it. I hope all my errors keep you up at night. I'm not responding further, this conversation has run it's course.
- keiferski 2y ago
  As I said in my original comment: When it becomes socially unacceptable to insist on standards and correctness, people either don’t learn how to write properly - or they are cowed into silence when making corrections.
- lelanthran 2y ago
  > In closing: stop being pedantic, no one likes it. You're wrong there. Also, kinda inadvertently proved the parent's point: that people rush out of the woodwork to cow everyone else into silence. > There should not be a monopoly on communication. So why are you trying to enforce your standards on someone else?
  - ok_dad 2y ago
    > So why are you trying to enforce your standards on someone else? Dude, he can speak all the proper English he wants. I’m not enforcing anything on anyone, I’m saying keep your nose out of other peoples grammar. You people give me a migraine daily, Jesus H Christ. I’m done here, you folks are insane.
    - lelanthran 2y ago
      > You people give me a migraine daily, Does this not indicate, to you, that you're holding a significant minority opinion? While neither significant minority or significant majority opinions are automatically wrong/right, if you're reacting this strongly to everyone around you, the only common factor is you. IOW, when I find that I am at odds with everyone around me, I re-examine whether or not the problem is me: did I incorrectly read the room? For example, sarcastic comments on reddit r/programming garners no real attention from the readers, while the same comment on HN gets downvoted. What I am trying to say is, read the room. BTW: you are reacting pretty emotionally to my posts, which are all (as far as I can tell, anyway) devoid of any emotion or personal remarks. GP's original complaint was also, as far as I can tell, devoid of any anger or other emotion. Your reaction was, to me, very angry with no real reason why this was so.
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