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> Do you have a legal right to write software or run your own software for hardware you bought? No, obviously not. Do you have a right to run a custom OS on yo

by paulmd 2y ago

> Do you have a legal right to write software or run your own software for hardware you bought? No, obviously not. Do you have a right to run a custom OS on your PS5? Do you have a right to run a custom application on your cable set-top box? Etc. Such a right obviously doesn’t exist and most people generally are somewhere between “don’t care” and actively rejecting it for various reasons (hacking in games, content DRM, etc). It’s fine if you think there should be, but it continues this weird trend of using apple as a foil for complaining about random other issues that other vendors tend to be just as bad or oftentimes even worse about, simply because they’re a large company with a large group of anti-fans/haters who will readily nod along. Remember when the complaint was that the pelican case of factory OEM tools you could rent (or buy) to install your factory replacement screen was too big and bulky, meaning it was really just a plot to sabotage right to repair? https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-service-iphone-repair-kit-hands-on https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi...

dns_snek 2y ago
> Remember when the complaint was that the pelican case of factory OEM tools you could rent (or buy) to install your factory replacement screen was too big and bulky, meaning it was really just a plot to sabotage right to repair? Yes, I do. That was and continues to be a valid complaint, among all other anti-repair schemes Apple have come up with over the years. DRM for parts, complete unavailability of some commonly repaired parts, deliberate kneecapping of "Apple authorized service providers", leveraging the US customs to seize shipments of legitimate and/or unlabeled replacement parts as "counterfeits", gaslighting by official representatives on Apple's own forums about data recovery, sabotaging right to repair laws, and even denial of design issues[1] to weasel out of warranty repair just to name a few. All with the simple anti-competitive goal of making third party repair (both authorized and independent) a less attractive option due to artificially increased prices, timelines to repair, or scaremongering about privacy. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/weakened-right-to-repair-bill-is-signed-into-law-by-new-yorks-governor/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/weakened-right-to-re... https://www.pcgamer.com/ifixit-says-apples-iphone-14-is-literally-not-repairable-due-to-strict-parts-validation-rule/ https://www.pcgamer.com/ifixit-says-apples-iphone-14-is-lite... [1] Butterfly keyboards, display cables that were too short and failed over time
- paulmd 2y ago
  > Yes, I do. That was and continues to be a valid complaint, No, it doesn’t - because you can simply not use the tools if you don’t want. You can just order a $2 spudger off Amazon if you want, you don’t need the tools at all. It continues to be a completely invalid complaint that shows just how bad-faith the discussion about apple has become - it literally costs you nothing to not use the tools if you want, there is no downside to having apple make them available to people, and yet you guys still find a way to bitch about it. Moreover, despite some “bold” proclamations from the haters… no android vendors ever ended up making their oem tooling available to consumers at all. You have to use the Amazon spudger on your pixel, and you will fuck up the waterproofing when you do your repair, because the android phone won’t seal properly against water without the tools either. IPX sixtywho!? It’s literally a complete and total net positive: nothing was taken away from you, and you don’t need to use it, and it makes your life easier and produces a better repair if you want it. Apple went out of their way to both make the tooling available to normies who want to rent it or people who want to buy it for real. And people still bitch, and still think they come off better for having done so. Classic “hater” moment, in the Paul Graham sense. Anti-fanboys are real. https://paulgraham.com/fh.html https://paulgraham.com/fh.html Literally, for some people - the pelican cases with the tools are too big and heavy. And that’s enough to justify the hate. Again, great example of the point I was making in the original comment: people inserting their random hobby horse issues using apple as a foil. You don’t like how phones are made in general, so you’re using apple as a whipping boy for the issue even if it’s not really caused or worsened by the event in question etc. Even if the event in question is apple making that issue somewhat better, and is done worse by all the other vendors etc. Can’t buy tooling for a pixel at all, doing those repairs will simply break waterproofing without it, and you’re strictly better off having the ability to get access to the tooling if you decide you want it, but apple offering it is a flashpoint you can exploit for rhetorical advantage.
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    > Moreover, despite some “bold” proclamations from the haters… no android vendors ever ended up making their oem tooling available to consumers at all. You have to use the Amazon spudger on your pixel, and you will fuck up the waterproofing when you do your repair, because the android phone won’t seal properly against water without the tools either. IPX sixtywho!? I think the dirty little secret here is that an iPhone is just about the only phone, apart from maybe some of the really nice Google and Samsung flagships, that anyone wants to repair, because they're bloody expensive. Which is fine and dandy but then do kindly park your endless bemoaning of the subjects of e-waste and non-repairable goods, when Android by far and away is the worse side of that equation, with absolute shit tons of low yield, crap hardware made, sold, and thrown away when the first software update renders it completely unusable (if it wasn't already, from the factory).

by paulmd 2y ago

dns_snek 2y ago

> Remember when the complaint was that the pelican case of factory OEM tools you could rent (or buy) to install your factory replacement screen was too big and bulky, meaning it was really just a plot to sabotage right to repair? Yes, I do. That was and continues to be a valid complaint, among all other anti-repair schemes Apple have come up with over the years. DRM for parts, complete unavailability of some commonly repaired parts, deliberate kneecapping of "Apple authorized service providers", leveraging the US customs to seize shipments of legitimate and/or unlabeled replacement parts as "counterfeits", gaslighting by official representatives on Apple's own forums about data recovery, sabotaging right to repair laws, and even denial of design issues[1] to weasel out of warranty repair just to name a few. All with the simple anti-competitive goal of making third party repair (both authorized and independent) a less attractive option due to artificially increased prices, timelines to repair, or scaremongering about privacy. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/weakened-right-to-repair-bill-is-signed-into-law-by-new-yorks-governor/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/weakened-right-to-re... https://www.pcgamer.com/ifixit-says-apples-iphone-14-is-literally-not-repairable-due-to-strict-parts-validation-rule/ https://www.pcgamer.com/ifixit-says-apples-iphone-14-is-lite... [1] Butterfly keyboards, display cables that were too short and failed over time

paulmd 2y ago
> Yes, I do. That was and continues to be a valid complaint, No, it doesn’t - because you can simply not use the tools if you don’t want. You can just order a $2 spudger off Amazon if you want, you don’t need the tools at all. It continues to be a completely invalid complaint that shows just how bad-faith the discussion about apple has become - it literally costs you nothing to not use the tools if you want, there is no downside to having apple make them available to people, and yet you guys still find a way to bitch about it. Moreover, despite some “bold” proclamations from the haters… no android vendors ever ended up making their oem tooling available to consumers at all. You have to use the Amazon spudger on your pixel, and you will fuck up the waterproofing when you do your repair, because the android phone won’t seal properly against water without the tools either. IPX sixtywho!? It’s literally a complete and total net positive: nothing was taken away from you, and you don’t need to use it, and it makes your life easier and produces a better repair if you want it. Apple went out of their way to both make the tooling available to normies who want to rent it or people who want to buy it for real. And people still bitch, and still think they come off better for having done so. Classic “hater” moment, in the Paul Graham sense. Anti-fanboys are real. https://paulgraham.com/fh.html https://paulgraham.com/fh.html Literally, for some people - the pelican cases with the tools are too big and heavy. And that’s enough to justify the hate. Again, great example of the point I was making in the original comment: people inserting their random hobby horse issues using apple as a foil. You don’t like how phones are made in general, so you’re using apple as a whipping boy for the issue even if it’s not really caused or worsened by the event in question etc. Even if the event in question is apple making that issue somewhat better, and is done worse by all the other vendors etc. Can’t buy tooling for a pixel at all, doing those repairs will simply break waterproofing without it, and you’re strictly better off having the ability to get access to the tooling if you decide you want it, but apple offering it is a flashpoint you can exploit for rhetorical advantage.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  > Moreover, despite some “bold” proclamations from the haters… no android vendors ever ended up making their oem tooling available to consumers at all. You have to use the Amazon spudger on your pixel, and you will fuck up the waterproofing when you do your repair, because the android phone won’t seal properly against water without the tools either. IPX sixtywho!? I think the dirty little secret here is that an iPhone is just about the only phone, apart from maybe some of the really nice Google and Samsung flagships, that anyone wants to repair, because they're bloody expensive. Which is fine and dandy but then do kindly park your endless bemoaning of the subjects of e-waste and non-repairable goods, when Android by far and away is the worse side of that equation, with absolute shit tons of low yield, crap hardware made, sold, and thrown away when the first software update renders it completely unusable (if it wasn't already, from the factory).