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I’d assume a lot of this is because you can’t get the software on MacOS. Not a choice. Who is choosing to use Windows 10/11 where you get tabloid news in the OS

I’d assume a lot of this is because you can’t get the software on MacOS. Not a choice. Who is choosing to use Windows 10/11 where you get tabloid news in the OS by default? Or choosing to hide the button to create local user accounts?

pompino 2y ago
People overwhelmingly choose windows world-wide to get shit done. That answers the who.
- 2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
  So the same software exists on multiple platforms, there are no legacy or hardware compatibility considerations, interoperability considerations, no budget considerations, and the users have a choice in what they use? I.e the same functionality exists with no draw backs and money was no object. And they chose Windows? Seriously why?
  - pompino 2y ago
    We use the sales metrics and signals available to us. I don't know what to say except resign to the fact that the world is fundamentally unfair, and you won't ever get to run the A/B experiment that you want. So yes, Windows it is !
  - goosedragons 2y ago
    More choice in hardware. More flexibility in hardware. UI preferences. You can't get a Mac 2 in 1 or a Mac foldable or a Mac gaming notebook or a Mac that weighs less than a kilogram. You can't get a Mac with an OLED screen or a numpad. Some people just prefer the Windows UI too. I usually use Linux but between MacOS and Windows, I prefer the latter.
steve1977 2y ago
Who is choosing to use macOS, where non-Apple monitors and other 3rd party hardware just stops working after minor updates and then starts working again after another update, without any official statement from Apple that there was a problem and a fix?
- mschuster91 2y ago
  So what, Windows does the same. Printers [1], WiFi [2], VPN [3], Bluetooth devices [4], audio [5] - and that's just stuff I found via auto-completing "windows update breaks" on Google in under 5 minutes. The only problem is that Apple is even worse at communicating issues than Microsoft is. [1] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-warns-windows-10-usb-printing-breaks-due-to-recent-updates/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-wa... [2] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-fixes-wi-fi-issues-triggered-by-recent-windows-updates/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-fi... [3] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-says-april-windows-updates-break-vpn-connections/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-sa... [4] https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/06/12/microsoft-windows-10-upgrade-update-security-problem-bluetooth-warning-cost-windows-10-home/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/06/12/microsof... [5] https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/22/windows_10_update_killing_sound/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/22/windows_10_update_kil...
  - steve1977 2y ago
    The big difference is that Microsoft - at least usually - confirms and owns the issues. With Apple, it's usually just crickets... nothing in the release notes, no official statements, nothing. It's just trial and error for the users to see if a particular update fixed the issue.
- lupire 2y ago
  That's anti-competitive and frustrating, but not an argument against the value of a pure Apple hardware ecosystem.
  - steve1977 2y ago
    Which was not the point. The question was who would be choosing Windows over macOS. I would and this is one of the reasons why.
- wiseowise 2y ago
  I do. Because for all issues it has, it is still much better than whatever Windows has to offer. > where non-Apple monitors and other 3rd party hardware just stops working after minor updates and then starts working again after another update, without any official statement from Apple that there was a problem and a fix? At least my WiFi doesn't turn off indefinitely during sleep until I power cycle whole laptop because of a shitty driver.

pompino 2y ago

People overwhelmingly choose windows world-wide to get shit done. That answers the who.

2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
So the same software exists on multiple platforms, there are no legacy or hardware compatibility considerations, interoperability considerations, no budget considerations, and the users have a choice in what they use? I.e the same functionality exists with no draw backs and money was no object. And they chose Windows? Seriously why?
- pompino 2y ago
  We use the sales metrics and signals available to us. I don't know what to say except resign to the fact that the world is fundamentally unfair, and you won't ever get to run the A/B experiment that you want. So yes, Windows it is !
- goosedragons 2y ago
  More choice in hardware. More flexibility in hardware. UI preferences. You can't get a Mac 2 in 1 or a Mac foldable or a Mac gaming notebook or a Mac that weighs less than a kilogram. You can't get a Mac with an OLED screen or a numpad. Some people just prefer the Windows UI too. I usually use Linux but between MacOS and Windows, I prefer the latter.

steve1977 2y ago

Who is choosing to use macOS, where non-Apple monitors and other 3rd party hardware just stops working after minor updates and then starts working again after another update, without any official statement from Apple that there was a problem and a fix?

mschuster91 2y ago
So what, Windows does the same. Printers [1], WiFi [2], VPN [3], Bluetooth devices [4], audio [5] - and that's just stuff I found via auto-completing "windows update breaks" on Google in under 5 minutes. The only problem is that Apple is even worse at communicating issues than Microsoft is. [1] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-warns-windows-10-usb-printing-breaks-due-to-recent-updates/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-wa... [2] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-fixes-wi-fi-issues-triggered-by-recent-windows-updates/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-fi... [3] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-says-april-windows-updates-break-vpn-connections/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-sa... [4] https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/06/12/microsoft-windows-10-upgrade-update-security-problem-bluetooth-warning-cost-windows-10-home/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/06/12/microsof... [5] https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/22/windows_10_update_killing_sound/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/22/windows_10_update_kil...
- steve1977 2y ago
  The big difference is that Microsoft - at least usually - confirms and owns the issues. With Apple, it's usually just crickets... nothing in the release notes, no official statements, nothing. It's just trial and error for the users to see if a particular update fixed the issue.
lupire 2y ago
That's anti-competitive and frustrating, but not an argument against the value of a pure Apple hardware ecosystem.
- steve1977 2y ago
  Which was not the point. The question was who would be choosing Windows over macOS. I would and this is one of the reasons why.
wiseowise 2y ago
I do. Because for all issues it has, it is still much better than whatever Windows has to offer. > where non-Apple monitors and other 3rd party hardware just stops working after minor updates and then starts working again after another update, without any official statement from Apple that there was a problem and a fix? At least my WiFi doesn't turn off indefinitely during sleep until I power cycle whole laptop because of a shitty driver.