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runarberg is not interested in getting to some commonly understood truth, he's only interested in spreading his propaganda. If you examine your conversation wit

runarberg is not interested in getting to some commonly understood truth, he's only interested in spreading his propaganda. If you examine your conversation with him through this lens, it makes perfect sense. He continues to repeat lies that you've pointed out don't make any sense. He makes sure to repeat his unfounded claim that "They are definitely committing genocide" as he does in nearly every comment he's made in the last 2 weeks, regardless of how wrong he's shown to be. If you start to back him into a corner, he's begin to deny very obvious truths like Jewish people have a historical connection to that area and continues to claim, without any basis that he's simply repeating what the ICJ has said, when the president of the council very clearly said the opposite.

tptacek 2y ago
We are two HN people who disagree. I think they're too attached to their ICJ procedural argument; it doesn't make much sense, and they don't need it to make the broader point they clearly want to make about Israel's moral culpability for genocide (an argument I don't agree with fully, but I disagree with less). That doesn't make them a liar or a propagandist. If your arguments are strong, well-expressed, and calm, they'll do fine here, and there's no need to pick apart the people trying to rebut them. We know less than we think we do about people commenting here; I've spent 16 years watching people reach all sorts of weird conclusions about me. Let's not do that to someone else here. These threads are bad enough as it is.
- runarberg 2y ago
  Israel’s legal culpability in genocide is probably even more important, because if we only argue moral culpability it gives world governments an excuse to non-action. If we have legal culpability these same world governments become complicit. The legal argument for genocide is strong. Not only by referring to the ICJ case, but also several legal experts who have conducted a thorough study in the subject. I’m returning to this thread because of the publication today of a 100 page long report which the authors claim is “the most comprehensive legal analysis to ate of Israel’s military operation in Gaza since October 7, 2023.” This report is from legal experts exploring the legal argument of genocide, using the 1948 convention as the definition for genocide. The authors, comprise of independent human rights scholars and legal experts from University Network of Human Rights, Boston University School of Law, Cornell Law School, University of Pretoria, and Yale Law School. They conclude that: “srael has committed and continues to commit genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.” https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b3538249d5abb21360e858f/t/6644b96c59a09c12e6939533/1715779949018/Genocide+in+Gaza+-+Final+version+051524+Clean.pdf https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b3538249d5abb21360e8...

tptacek 2y ago

We are two HN people who disagree. I think they're too attached to their ICJ procedural argument; it doesn't make much sense, and they don't need it to make the broader point they clearly want to make about Israel's moral culpability for genocide (an argument I don't agree with fully, but I disagree with less). That doesn't make them a liar or a propagandist. If your arguments are strong, well-expressed, and calm, they'll do fine here, and there's no need to pick apart the people trying to rebut them. We know less than we think we do about people commenting here; I've spent 16 years watching people reach all sorts of weird conclusions about me. Let's not do that to someone else here. These threads are bad enough as it is.

runarberg 2y ago
Israel’s legal culpability in genocide is probably even more important, because if we only argue moral culpability it gives world governments an excuse to non-action. If we have legal culpability these same world governments become complicit. The legal argument for genocide is strong. Not only by referring to the ICJ case, but also several legal experts who have conducted a thorough study in the subject. I’m returning to this thread because of the publication today of a 100 page long report which the authors claim is “the most comprehensive legal analysis to ate of Israel’s military operation in Gaza since October 7, 2023.” This report is from legal experts exploring the legal argument of genocide, using the 1948 convention as the definition for genocide. The authors, comprise of independent human rights scholars and legal experts from University Network of Human Rights, Boston University School of Law, Cornell Law School, University of Pretoria, and Yale Law School. They conclude that: “srael has committed and continues to commit genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.” https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b3538249d5abb21360e858f/t/6644b96c59a09c12e6939533/1715779949018/Genocide+in+Gaza+-+Final+version+051524+Clean.pdf https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b3538249d5abb21360e8...