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Oh, I'm sure there are lots of creatives who use OSX, so I don't mean to suggest nobody uses OSX, so I'll admit it was a bit in jest to poke fun at the stereoty

Oh, I'm sure there are lots of creatives who use OSX, so I don't mean to suggest nobody uses OSX, so I'll admit it was a bit in jest to poke fun at the stereotype. I'm definitely oldschool - but to me It's a bit cringe to hear "Oh, I'm an engineer.." or "As an engineer.." from people sit at a coffee shop writing emails or doing the most basic s/w dev work. I truly think silicon valley people would benefit from talking to technical people who are building bridges and manufacturing plants and cars and hardware and chips and all this stuff on r/engineeringporn that everyone takes for granted. I transitioned from s/w to hardcore manufacturing 15 years ago, and it was eye opening, and very humbling.

shykes 2y ago
"silicon valley people would benefit from talking to people who build chips", that's a good one!
- pompino 2y ago
  It would be funny, if it wasn't also sad to see the decline.
2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
I’d assume a lot of this is because you can’t get the software on MacOS. Not a choice. Who is choosing to use Windows 10/11 where you get tabloid news in the OS by default? Or choosing to hide the button to create local user accounts?
- pompino 2y ago
  People overwhelmingly choose windows world-wide to get shit done. That answers the who.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
    So the same software exists on multiple platforms, there are no legacy or hardware compatibility considerations, interoperability considerations, no budget considerations, and the users have a choice in what they use? I.e the same functionality exists with no draw backs and money was no object. And they chose Windows? Seriously why?
    - pompino 2y ago
      We use the sales metrics and signals available to us. I don't know what to say except resign to the fact that the world is fundamentally unfair, and you won't ever get to run the A/B experiment that you want. So yes, Windows it is !
    - goosedragons 2y ago
      More choice in hardware. More flexibility in hardware. UI preferences. You can't get a Mac 2 in 1 or a Mac foldable or a Mac gaming notebook or a Mac that weighs less than a kilogram. You can't get a Mac with an OLED screen or a numpad. Some people just prefer the Windows UI too. I usually use Linux but between MacOS and Windows, I prefer the latter.
- steve1977 2y ago
  Who is choosing to use macOS, where non-Apple monitors and other 3rd party hardware just stops working after minor updates and then starts working again after another update, without any official statement from Apple that there was a problem and a fix?
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    So what, Windows does the same. Printers [1], WiFi [2], VPN [3], Bluetooth devices [4], audio [5] - and that's just stuff I found via auto-completing "windows update breaks" on Google in under 5 minutes. The only problem is that Apple is even worse at communicating issues than Microsoft is. [1] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-warns-windows-10-usb-printing-breaks-due-to-recent-updates/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-wa... [2] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-fixes-wi-fi-issues-triggered-by-recent-windows-updates/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-fi... [3] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-says-april-windows-updates-break-vpn-connections/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-sa... [4] https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/06/12/microsoft-windows-10-upgrade-update-security-problem-bluetooth-warning-cost-windows-10-home/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/06/12/microsof... [5] https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/22/windows_10_update_killing_sound/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/22/windows_10_update_kil...
    - steve1977 2y ago
      The big difference is that Microsoft - at least usually - confirms and owns the issues. With Apple, it's usually just crickets... nothing in the release notes, no official statements, nothing. It's just trial and error for the users to see if a particular update fixed the issue.
  - lupire 2y ago
    That's anti-competitive and frustrating, but not an argument against the value of a pure Apple hardware ecosystem.
    - 2y ago
wiseowise 2y ago
You seem to have some romanticized notion of engineers and deeply offended by someone calling themselves engineer. Why do you even care if someone sits at a coffee shop writing emails and calls themselves engineer? You think it somehow dilutes prestige of word "engineer"? Makes it less elite or what?
- pompino 2y ago
  "deeply offended" - My default response to imposters is laughter. Call yourself Lord, King, President, Doctor, Lawyer whatever - doesn't matter to me. I'd suggest you to lighten up.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    They hate you because you speak the truth. Code monkeys calling themselves engineers really is funny.
zaphirplane 2y ago
Do you have an engineering degree ?
- pompino 2y ago
  Yes, a bachelors and a masters. Not that the degree means much, I learnt 90% of what I know on the job. It certainly helped get my foot in through the university brand, and alumni network. You can call yourself anything you want Doctor, Lawyer, Engineer. I have the freedom to think my own thoughts too.

shykes 2y ago

"silicon valley people would benefit from talking to people who build chips", that's a good one!

pompino 2y ago
It would be funny, if it wasn't also sad to see the decline.

2muchcoffeeman 2y ago

I’d assume a lot of this is because you can’t get the software on MacOS. Not a choice. Who is choosing to use Windows 10/11 where you get tabloid news in the OS by default? Or choosing to hide the button to create local user accounts?

pompino 2y ago
People overwhelmingly choose windows world-wide to get shit done. That answers the who.
- 2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
  So the same software exists on multiple platforms, there are no legacy or hardware compatibility considerations, interoperability considerations, no budget considerations, and the users have a choice in what they use? I.e the same functionality exists with no draw backs and money was no object. And they chose Windows? Seriously why?
  - pompino 2y ago
    We use the sales metrics and signals available to us. I don't know what to say except resign to the fact that the world is fundamentally unfair, and you won't ever get to run the A/B experiment that you want. So yes, Windows it is !
  - goosedragons 2y ago
    More choice in hardware. More flexibility in hardware. UI preferences. You can't get a Mac 2 in 1 or a Mac foldable or a Mac gaming notebook or a Mac that weighs less than a kilogram. You can't get a Mac with an OLED screen or a numpad. Some people just prefer the Windows UI too. I usually use Linux but between MacOS and Windows, I prefer the latter.
steve1977 2y ago
Who is choosing to use macOS, where non-Apple monitors and other 3rd party hardware just stops working after minor updates and then starts working again after another update, without any official statement from Apple that there was a problem and a fix?
- mschuster91 2y ago
  So what, Windows does the same. Printers [1], WiFi [2], VPN [3], Bluetooth devices [4], audio [5] - and that's just stuff I found via auto-completing "windows update breaks" on Google in under 5 minutes. The only problem is that Apple is even worse at communicating issues than Microsoft is. [1] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-warns-windows-10-usb-printing-breaks-due-to-recent-updates/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-wa... [2] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-fixes-wi-fi-issues-triggered-by-recent-windows-updates/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-fi... [3] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-says-april-windows-updates-break-vpn-connections/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-sa... [4] https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/06/12/microsoft-windows-10-upgrade-update-security-problem-bluetooth-warning-cost-windows-10-home/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/06/12/microsof... [5] https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/22/windows_10_update_killing_sound/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/22/windows_10_update_kil...
  - steve1977 2y ago
    The big difference is that Microsoft - at least usually - confirms and owns the issues. With Apple, it's usually just crickets... nothing in the release notes, no official statements, nothing. It's just trial and error for the users to see if a particular update fixed the issue.
- lupire 2y ago
  That's anti-competitive and frustrating, but not an argument against the value of a pure Apple hardware ecosystem.
  - 2y ago

wiseowise 2y ago

You seem to have some romanticized notion of engineers and deeply offended by someone calling themselves engineer. Why do you even care if someone sits at a coffee shop writing emails and calls themselves engineer? You think it somehow dilutes prestige of word "engineer"? Makes it less elite or what?

pompino 2y ago
"deeply offended" - My default response to imposters is laughter. Call yourself Lord, King, President, Doctor, Lawyer whatever - doesn't matter to me. I'd suggest you to lighten up.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  They hate you because you speak the truth. Code monkeys calling themselves engineers really is funny.

zaphirplane 2y ago

Do you have an engineering degree ?

pompino 2y ago
Yes, a bachelors and a masters. Not that the degree means much, I learnt 90% of what I know on the job. It certainly helped get my foot in through the university brand, and alumni network. You can call yourself anything you want Doctor, Lawyer, Engineer. I have the freedom to think my own thoughts too.