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> That must mean nobody at the company is technical "at all" either then, if you are getting people that far along without having any clue if they even write co

> That must mean nobody at the company is technical "at all" either then, if you are getting people that far along without having any clue if they even write code at all. Lots of people skate by in technical roles by barely doing anything technical. Lots of people also overinflate their achievements in resumes and conversations aka lying. How is non technical recruiter supposed to evaluate their coding chops? > People who say all their work is hidden under NDA or they're new grads and haven't done anything yet - sorry, if there's nothing to view online I just wouldn't qualify you to interview. Lol, great method! I have a better one - just hire acm winners. No need to test them

_akhe 2y ago
> People lie Obviously taken into account - I still have no problem whatsoever identifying great developers on GitHub and I'm sure many other developers who actually code often could too. You have bigger problems if you can't tell if someone is lying or not about their abilities when all their work is visible to you. You should be able to easily tell what is theirs vs not. > Lol, great method! Yes people inflate their own egos and abilities - especially those who spend all their time interviewing others instead of building. I prefer demonstrable experience for an engineer over standardized tests which tell you nothing about any real world experience: App architecture, async programming, APIs, UI, DOM, git, unit/e2e tests, any known framework or library, etc. A person who knows all those but hasn't memorized CTCI is a lot more useful than the CTCI memorizer with no evidence of work ever performed.
- dilyevsky 2y ago
  > While you're spending all your time and the company's money conducting maniacal quizzes and tests your competition is building features and teams and making progress If your research on your candidates' profiles is of the same quality as you demonstrated nosing around my profile, I don't think any of your competition should be worried at all ;-)
  - _akhe 2y ago
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- recursive 2y ago
  > when all their work is visible to you Doesn't really happen reliably in the real world. > You have bigger problems if you can't tell if someone is lying or not ... Whether or not I have bigger problems is independent from whether I need to recruit more developers.
  - _akhe 2y ago
    It's like a designer with no portfolio. A lot of them do exist actually, not saying they don't, but I would never hire one.

_akhe 2y ago

> People lie Obviously taken into account - I still have no problem whatsoever identifying great developers on GitHub and I'm sure many other developers who actually code often could too. You have bigger problems if you can't tell if someone is lying or not about their abilities when all their work is visible to you. You should be able to easily tell what is theirs vs not. > Lol, great method! Yes people inflate their own egos and abilities - especially those who spend all their time interviewing others instead of building. I prefer demonstrable experience for an engineer over standardized tests which tell you nothing about any real world experience: App architecture, async programming, APIs, UI, DOM, git, unit/e2e tests, any known framework or library, etc. A person who knows all those but hasn't memorized CTCI is a lot more useful than the CTCI memorizer with no evidence of work ever performed.

dilyevsky 2y ago
> While you're spending all your time and the company's money conducting maniacal quizzes and tests your competition is building features and teams and making progress If your research on your candidates' profiles is of the same quality as you demonstrated nosing around my profile, I don't think any of your competition should be worried at all ;-)
- _akhe 2y ago
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recursive 2y ago
> when all their work is visible to you Doesn't really happen reliably in the real world. > You have bigger problems if you can't tell if someone is lying or not ... Whether or not I have bigger problems is independent from whether I need to recruit more developers.
- _akhe 2y ago
  It's like a designer with no portfolio. A lot of them do exist actually, not saying they don't, but I would never hire one.