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I have one and hate it with a passion. A MacBook Air bought new in the past 3 years should be able to use Teams (alone) without keeling over. Takes over a minu

I have one and hate it with a passion. A MacBook Air bought new in the past 3 years should be able to use Teams (alone) without keeling over. Takes over a minute to launch Outlook. My 15 year old Sony laptop can do better. Even if Microsoft on Mac is an unmitigated dumpster fire, this is ridiculous. I avoid using it whenever possible. If people email me, it’d better not be urgent.

riddlemethat 2y ago
I avoid using Outlook on any device, but I wouldn't complain about my Surface tablet's performance based on how poorly iTunes performs...
josephg 2y ago
Is it an Apple silicon or Intel machine? Intel macs are crazy slow - especially since the most recent few versions of macOS. And especially since developers everywhere have upgraded to an M1 or better.
- saagarjha 2y ago
  No MacBook Air from the last 3 years is Intel-based
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  - josephg 2y ago
    You could certainly still buy new intel macbooks 3 years ago from Apple. Plenty of people did - particularly given a lot of software was still running through rosetta at the time. The M1 air was only released in November 2020. With a bit of slop in the numbers, its very possible the parent poster bought an intel mac just before the M1 launched.
- jlarcombe 2y ago
  Yeah it's such a shame how much the performance has been affected by recent macOS. I kept my 2019 Mac Book Pro on Catalina for years because everyone else was complaining... finally upgraded directly to Sonoma and the difference in speed was night and day!
rootusrootus 2y ago
Sounds a bit like my Intel MBP, in particular after they (the company I work for) installed all the lovely bloatware/tracking crap IT thinks we need to be subjected to. Most of the day the machine runs with the fans blasting away. Still doesn't take a minute to launch Outlook, but I understand your pain. I keep hoping it will die, because it would be replaced with an M-series MBP and they are way, way, WAY faster than even the best Intel MBP.
WWLink 2y ago
> Even if Microsoft on Mac is an unmitigated dumpster fire, this is ridiculous. It is Microsoft. I could rant all day about the dumpster fire that is the "NEW Microsoft Teams (Work or School)" It's like the perfect shining example of how MS doesn't give a flaming fuck about their end users.
- larkost 2y ago
  I will pile on on MS Teams. I am on a Mac and periodically have to fight it because it went offline on me for some reason and I am no longer getting messages. Slightly less annoying is when my iPhone goes to sleep and Teams on my iPhone then sets my status to "Away", even though I am actively typing on Teams on my computer. And while my particular problems might be partially because I am on MacOS, I observe Windows-using colleagues have just as many problems joining meetings (either total refusal, no audio, or sharing issues). So I think using Teams as a measure of any computer is probably not warranted.
bigboy12 2y ago
I suppose you like bloatware and ads in your taskbar and 49 years of patch Tuesday. Have fun with that. I’ll take Mac over any windows.
486sx33 2y ago
Outlook (old) is okay on Mac Teams is a dumpster fire on every platform
safety1st 2y ago
Meanwhile here I am, running linux distros and XFCE on everything. My hardware could be a decade old and I probably wouldn't notice. (In fact I DO have a spare 13 year old laptop hanging around that still gets used for web browsing, mail and stuff. It is not slow.)
- freedomben 2y ago
  Indeed, I have a 15-year-old desktop computer that is still running great on Linux. I upgraded the RAM to the maximum supported by the motherboard, which is 8 GB, and it has gone through three hard drives in its life, but otherwise it is pretty much the same. As a basic web browsing computer, and for light games, it is fantastic.
  - safety1st 2y ago
    It also performs pretty well for the particular brand of web development I do, which basically boils down to running VS Code, a browser, and a lot of ssh. It's fascinating to me how people are still attached to the hardware upgrade cycle as an idea that matters, and yet for a huge chunk of people and scenarios, basically an SSD, 8gb of RAM and an Intel i5 from a decade ago could have been the end of computing history with no real loss to productivity. I honestly look at people who use Apple or Windows with a bit of pity, because those ecosystems would just give me more stuff to worry about.
kolinko 2y ago
That’s not an issue with Macboom but with MS. MS has an incentive to deliver such a terrible experience on macs.
- int_19h 2y ago
  MS has literally thousands of managers running Outlook and Teams on their company-provided ARM MacBooks daily.
kagakuninja 2y ago
Teams is shit, and hangs and crashes on my Mac. I blame Microsoft for that.

riddlemethat 2y ago

I avoid using Outlook on any device, but I wouldn't complain about my Surface tablet's performance based on how poorly iTunes performs...

josephg 2y ago

Is it an Apple silicon or Intel machine? Intel macs are crazy slow - especially since the most recent few versions of macOS. And especially since developers everywhere have upgraded to an M1 or better.

saagarjha 2y ago
No MacBook Air from the last 3 years is Intel-based
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- josephg 2y ago
  You could certainly still buy new intel macbooks 3 years ago from Apple. Plenty of people did - particularly given a lot of software was still running through rosetta at the time. The M1 air was only released in November 2020. With a bit of slop in the numbers, its very possible the parent poster bought an intel mac just before the M1 launched.
jlarcombe 2y ago
Yeah it's such a shame how much the performance has been affected by recent macOS. I kept my 2019 Mac Book Pro on Catalina for years because everyone else was complaining... finally upgraded directly to Sonoma and the difference in speed was night and day!

rootusrootus 2y ago

Sounds a bit like my Intel MBP, in particular after they (the company I work for) installed all the lovely bloatware/tracking crap IT thinks we need to be subjected to. Most of the day the machine runs with the fans blasting away. Still doesn't take a minute to launch Outlook, but I understand your pain. I keep hoping it will die, because it would be replaced with an M-series MBP and they are way, way, WAY faster than even the best Intel MBP.

WWLink 2y ago

> Even if Microsoft on Mac is an unmitigated dumpster fire, this is ridiculous. It is Microsoft. I could rant all day about the dumpster fire that is the "NEW Microsoft Teams (Work or School)" It's like the perfect shining example of how MS doesn't give a flaming fuck about their end users.

larkost 2y ago
I will pile on on MS Teams. I am on a Mac and periodically have to fight it because it went offline on me for some reason and I am no longer getting messages. Slightly less annoying is when my iPhone goes to sleep and Teams on my iPhone then sets my status to "Away", even though I am actively typing on Teams on my computer. And while my particular problems might be partially because I am on MacOS, I observe Windows-using colleagues have just as many problems joining meetings (either total refusal, no audio, or sharing issues). So I think using Teams as a measure of any computer is probably not warranted.

bigboy12 2y ago

I suppose you like bloatware and ads in your taskbar and 49 years of patch Tuesday. Have fun with that. I’ll take Mac over any windows.

486sx33 2y ago

Outlook (old) is okay on Mac Teams is a dumpster fire on every platform

safety1st 2y ago

Meanwhile here I am, running linux distros and XFCE on everything. My hardware could be a decade old and I probably wouldn't notice. (In fact I DO have a spare 13 year old laptop hanging around that still gets used for web browsing, mail and stuff. It is not slow.)

freedomben 2y ago
Indeed, I have a 15-year-old desktop computer that is still running great on Linux. I upgraded the RAM to the maximum supported by the motherboard, which is 8 GB, and it has gone through three hard drives in its life, but otherwise it is pretty much the same. As a basic web browsing computer, and for light games, it is fantastic.
- safety1st 2y ago
  It also performs pretty well for the particular brand of web development I do, which basically boils down to running VS Code, a browser, and a lot of ssh. It's fascinating to me how people are still attached to the hardware upgrade cycle as an idea that matters, and yet for a huge chunk of people and scenarios, basically an SSD, 8gb of RAM and an Intel i5 from a decade ago could have been the end of computing history with no real loss to productivity. I honestly look at people who use Apple or Windows with a bit of pity, because those ecosystems would just give me more stuff to worry about.

kolinko 2y ago

That’s not an issue with Macboom but with MS. MS has an incentive to deliver such a terrible experience on macs.

int_19h 2y ago
MS has literally thousands of managers running Outlook and Teams on their company-provided ARM MacBooks daily.

kagakuninja 2y ago

Teams is shit, and hangs and crashes on my Mac. I blame Microsoft for that.