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Really? You can find a laptop with the equivalent of Apple Silicon for $3-500? And while I haven't used Windows in ages I doubt it runs as well with 8 GB as Mac

by spurgu 2y ago

Really? You can find a laptop with the equivalent of Apple Silicon for $3-500? And while I haven't used Windows in ages I doubt it runs as well with 8 GB as MacOS does.

lolinder 2y ago
Sure, then try this one from HP with 16GB RAM and a CPU that benchmarks in the same ballpark as the M2, for $387: https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-i7-11370H-Micro-Edge-Anti-Glare/dp/B09NL8JTB6/ https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-i7-11370H-Micro-Edge-Anti... The point isn't that the MacBook Air isn't better by some metrics than PC laptops. A Rolls-Royce is "better" by certain metrics than a Toyota, too. What makes a device luxury is if it costs substantially more than competing products that the average person would consider a valid replacement.
- zlsa 2y ago
  I'm not sure a machine that benchmarks half as fast as an M2 can be said to be in the same ballpark. MacBook Air (2022): https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-air-2022 https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-air-2022 Ryzen 5 5500U (CPU): https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/amd-ryzen-5-5500u https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/amd-ryzen-5-5500u Ryzen 5 5500U (APU, similar laptop): https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/6751456 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/6751456
- wiseowise 2y ago
  No offense, but you sound like a garbage salesman at flee market trying to sell his junk.
- breuleux 2y ago
  > the average person would consider a valid replacement But what is that, exactly? If you look at all aspects of a laptop: CPU, RAM, SSD, battery life, screen quality, build quality, touchpad, OS, and put them in order of importance for the average consumer, what would be on top? I don't think it's the tech specs. For instance, I would be willing to bet that for a large number of consumers, battery life is far more important than the tech specs, which means that a valid replacement for their MacBook must have equivalent battery life. You also have to consider things like the expected lifespan of the laptop and its resale value to properly compare their costs. It's not simple.

by spurgu 2y ago

Really? You can find a laptop with the equivalent of Apple Silicon for $3-500? And while I haven't used Windows in ages I doubt it runs as well with 8 GB as MacOS does.

lolinder 2y ago

Sure, then try this one from HP with 16GB RAM and a CPU that benchmarks in the same ballpark as the M2, for $387: https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-i7-11370H-Micro-Edge-Anti-Glare/dp/B09NL8JTB6/ https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-i7-11370H-Micro-Edge-Anti... The point isn't that the MacBook Air isn't better by some metrics than PC laptops. A Rolls-Royce is "better" by certain metrics than a Toyota, too. What makes a device luxury is if it costs substantially more than competing products that the average person would consider a valid replacement.

zlsa 2y ago
I'm not sure a machine that benchmarks half as fast as an M2 can be said to be in the same ballpark. MacBook Air (2022): https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-air-2022 https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-air-2022 Ryzen 5 5500U (CPU): https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/amd-ryzen-5-5500u https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/amd-ryzen-5-5500u Ryzen 5 5500U (APU, similar laptop): https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/6751456 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/6751456
wiseowise 2y ago
No offense, but you sound like a garbage salesman at flee market trying to sell his junk.
breuleux 2y ago
> the average person would consider a valid replacement But what is that, exactly? If you look at all aspects of a laptop: CPU, RAM, SSD, battery life, screen quality, build quality, touchpad, OS, and put them in order of importance for the average consumer, what would be on top? I don't think it's the tech specs. For instance, I would be willing to bet that for a large number of consumers, battery life is far more important than the tech specs, which means that a valid replacement for their MacBook must have equivalent battery life. You also have to consider things like the expected lifespan of the laptop and its resale value to properly compare their costs. It's not simple.