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> No, the alternative is Android devices with everything except firmware built from source and signed by myself Normal users will not do this. Just because man

> No, the alternative is Android devices with everything except firmware built from source and signed by myself Normal users will not do this. Just because many of the people here can build and sign a custom Android build doesn't mean that is a viable commercial alternative. It is great that is an option for those of us who can do it, but don't present it as a viable alternative to the iOS/Google ecosystems. The fraction of people who can and will be willing to do this is really small. And even if you can do it, how many people will want to maintain their custom built OSes?

rodgerd 2y ago
> Normal users will not do this. J Unfortunately a lot of the "freedom" crowd think that unless you want to be an 80s sysadmin you don't deserve security or privacy. Or computers.
- muyuu 2y ago
  the main reason the masses don't have privacy and security-centred systems is that they don't demand them and they will trade it away for a twopence or for the slightest increment in convenience a maxim that seems to hold true at every level of computing is that users will not care about security unless forced into caring with privacy they may care more, but they are easily conditioned to assume it's there or that nothing can be realistically be done about losing it
- Unfrozen0688 2y ago
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notpushkin 2y ago
I, an engineer, am not doing this myself, too. There is a middle ground though: just use a privacy-oriented Android build, like DivestOS. [1] There are a couple caveats: 1. It is still a bit tricky for a non-technical person to install. Should not be a problem if they know somebody who can help, though. There's been some progress making the process more user friendly recently (e.g. WebUSB-based GrapheneOS installer). 2. There are some papercuts if you don't install Google services on your phone. microG [2] helps with most but some still remain. My main concern with this setup is that I can't use Google Pay this way, but having to bring my card with me every time seems like an acceptable trade off to me. [1]: https://divestos.org/ https://divestos.org/ [2]: https://microg.org/ https://microg.org/
- int_19h 2y ago
  The biggest problem with these kinds of setups is usually the banking apps which refuse to run if it's not "safe".
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rodgerd 2y ago

> Normal users will not do this. J Unfortunately a lot of the "freedom" crowd think that unless you want to be an 80s sysadmin you don't deserve security or privacy. Or computers.

muyuu 2y ago
the main reason the masses don't have privacy and security-centred systems is that they don't demand them and they will trade it away for a twopence or for the slightest increment in convenience a maxim that seems to hold true at every level of computing is that users will not care about security unless forced into caring with privacy they may care more, but they are easily conditioned to assume it's there or that nothing can be realistically be done about losing it
Unfrozen0688 2y ago
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notpushkin 2y ago

I, an engineer, am not doing this myself, too. There is a middle ground though: just use a privacy-oriented Android build, like DivestOS. [1] There are a couple caveats: 1. It is still a bit tricky for a non-technical person to install. Should not be a problem if they know somebody who can help, though. There's been some progress making the process more user friendly recently (e.g. WebUSB-based GrapheneOS installer). 2. There are some papercuts if you don't install Google services on your phone. microG [2] helps with most but some still remain. My main concern with this setup is that I can't use Google Pay this way, but having to bring my card with me every time seems like an acceptable trade off to me. [1]: https://divestos.org/ https://divestos.org/ [2]: https://microg.org/ https://microg.org/

int_19h 2y ago
The biggest problem with these kinds of setups is usually the banking apps which refuse to run if it's not "safe".
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