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> What we did not want were irremovable, lifetime dictators who packed the government with cronies on the take And what they got is an irremovable Zelensky wit

> What we did not want were irremovable, lifetime dictators who packed the government with cronies on the take And what they got is an irremovable Zelensky with cronies so corrupt they even stole the SUVs that GM donated to evacuate refugees and drove them to work (https://babel.ua/en/amp/news/86252-bihus-info-deputy-head-of-the-presidential-office-kyrylo-tymoshenko-drives-an-suv-that-was-given-to-ukraine-for-humanitarian-purposes https://babel.ua/en/amp/news/86252-bihus-info-deputy-head-of...) > But what people want are clear laws and predictable officials, not ones that make up crap as they go along Ousting a president in a coup is not making things up as they go along? Or is it only bad when Trump tries it?

libertine 2y ago
> And what they got is an irremovable Zelensky with cronies so corrupt they even stole the SUVs that GM donated to evacuate refugees and drove them to work Do you even think about what you say, or do you just copy and paste Russian cheap propaganda? Like, Ukraine is being invaded in an annexation war, and arguably, genocide. They have Martial Law, which is used for these exact purposes. And you're complaining that Zelenksy is "irremovable", coming from a supporter of Russia which is captured by one corrupt man who murders, arrests and presses political opposition. Don't you find this even remotely absurd? Like, do you even realize Zelenksy was democratically elected +70% of votes, and Putin was never democratically elected to represent Russians?
- hsyehbeidhh 2y ago
  We do think. And we do read propaganda on both sides. And then we make up our mind. Or would you rather ban us like the EU banned RT and Zelenskyy the opposition parties? Think different.
  - libertine 2y ago
    Well let me ask you this: would it make sense for Poland to have banned the Nazi Media, and the Nazi Party from Poland after they were invaded?
  - libertine 2y ago
    Also, let's not forget RT promoting the burning and drowning of Ukrainian children: https://nypost.com/2022/10/24/russian-tv-presenter-says-ukrainian-kids-should-be-drowned/ https://nypost.com/2022/10/24/russian-tv-presenter-says-ukra... That's surely a message that's allowed to be promoted on Western media, right?
    - riehwvfbk 2y ago
      And he was fired for this. Too crazy even for RT.
netsharc 2y ago
So Zelensky's cronies are corrupt. Oh wow, how horrible, they should've kept the squeaky-clean Yanukovych and his cleanly obtained mansion instead? In a utopian democracy (also one not being bombed), someone else can run against Zelensky and oust him peacefully, and Zelensky would probably not order his followers to storm the parliament. The fact that you call it a coup makes me assume you're a Pro-Trump, pro-Putin anti-woke, brainwashed fool, and that discussion with you will be fruitless. Yeah I get it, you can hold a mirror and say the opposite things about me (Anti-Trump, Anti-Putin, woke, brainwashed fool, who will be fruitless to discuss with). So let's just call each other fucking fuckwits and end it right now.
bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
Lol. This is such weak sauce. Ukraine is partly occupied by a much bigger country and you're talking about SUVs. At this stage zelensky could be a literal nazi and noone would care. Nothing inflames people like injustice.
- riehwvfbk 2y ago
  This is kind of a problem, no? He can be a Nazi, but it's OK because he is our Nazi? Also, Turkey decided to occupy a part of Cyprus (and they still do). But that's OK because they are allies, right? And Taiwan engaged in literal piracy at the start of its independent history. Oh, sorry, those guys must have been freedom fighters. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_the_Tuapse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_the_Tuapse Before I get drowned in screams of "whataboutism!", may I ask: what makes these guys the good guys?

libertine 2y ago

> And what they got is an irremovable Zelensky with cronies so corrupt they even stole the SUVs that GM donated to evacuate refugees and drove them to work Do you even think about what you say, or do you just copy and paste Russian cheap propaganda? Like, Ukraine is being invaded in an annexation war, and arguably, genocide. They have Martial Law, which is used for these exact purposes. And you're complaining that Zelenksy is "irremovable", coming from a supporter of Russia which is captured by one corrupt man who murders, arrests and presses political opposition. Don't you find this even remotely absurd? Like, do you even realize Zelenksy was democratically elected +70% of votes, and Putin was never democratically elected to represent Russians?

hsyehbeidhh 2y ago
We do think. And we do read propaganda on both sides. And then we make up our mind. Or would you rather ban us like the EU banned RT and Zelenskyy the opposition parties? Think different.
- libertine 2y ago
  Well let me ask you this: would it make sense for Poland to have banned the Nazi Media, and the Nazi Party from Poland after they were invaded?
- libertine 2y ago
  Also, let's not forget RT promoting the burning and drowning of Ukrainian children: https://nypost.com/2022/10/24/russian-tv-presenter-says-ukrainian-kids-should-be-drowned/ https://nypost.com/2022/10/24/russian-tv-presenter-says-ukra... That's surely a message that's allowed to be promoted on Western media, right?
  - riehwvfbk 2y ago
    And he was fired for this. Too crazy even for RT.

netsharc 2y ago

So Zelensky's cronies are corrupt. Oh wow, how horrible, they should've kept the squeaky-clean Yanukovych and his cleanly obtained mansion instead? In a utopian democracy (also one not being bombed), someone else can run against Zelensky and oust him peacefully, and Zelensky would probably not order his followers to storm the parliament. The fact that you call it a coup makes me assume you're a Pro-Trump, pro-Putin anti-woke, brainwashed fool, and that discussion with you will be fruitless. Yeah I get it, you can hold a mirror and say the opposite things about me (Anti-Trump, Anti-Putin, woke, brainwashed fool, who will be fruitless to discuss with). So let's just call each other fucking fuckwits and end it right now.

bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago

Lol. This is such weak sauce. Ukraine is partly occupied by a much bigger country and you're talking about SUVs. At this stage zelensky could be a literal nazi and noone would care. Nothing inflames people like injustice.

riehwvfbk 2y ago
This is kind of a problem, no? He can be a Nazi, but it's OK because he is our Nazi? Also, Turkey decided to occupy a part of Cyprus (and they still do). But that's OK because they are allies, right? And Taiwan engaged in literal piracy at the start of its independent history. Oh, sorry, those guys must have been freedom fighters. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_the_Tuapse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_the_Tuapse Before I get drowned in screams of "whataboutism!", may I ask: what makes these guys the good guys?