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> I don’t talk while I code. You don’t either. That's quite an assumption. You've never heard of pair programming? You've never asked for help on a bug in your

by feoren 2y ago

> I don’t talk while I code. You don’t either. That's quite an assumption. You've never heard of pair programming? You've never asked for help on a bug in your code? You've never talked through alternate approaches to a piece of code with a coworker? You've never hashed out an interface or a method signature or some pseudocode while talking through the problem? You've never walked through a calculation with an SME? All of these are "code and talk at the same time" exercises. If I'm being brutally honest, I have a deep-seated suspicion that everyone who says they can't talk and code at the same time also just cannot code at all. I don't know you, of course, and I'd love to be proven wrong. My sample size is small, but the few people I've met who cannot talk-and-code also simply could not code.

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_akhe 2y ago
Here's my brutally honest take on pair programming: Usually 1 person wants to do it more than the other, and usually that person is being unnecessarily assertive. The only scenario I think pair programming is socially acceptable to force on developers is a senior type onboarding a new developer out of necessity - might screen share and direct them around some places to show the ropes. Of course if you love to hang out with someone else while you write code for some reason - more power to you, have fun. For me it's a private thing, even after 20+ years. If anything the LLM is a much more useful sidekick to figure things out. > Can't talk and code means can't code at all I disagree with that, I can't even have lyrics in my music really if I'm working on something super hard especially outside my normal wheelhouse. It would at least be disruptive. The last time "hanging out and coding" was a thing was learning it for the first time - I used to hang out with friends as a kid and we would all try to figure out what Visual Basic was lol and I remember hanging with a friend learning JavaScript during the early web days, drinking coffee through the night, good times. These days it would feel forced and can't imagine why anyone would regularly pair program, especially now with LLMs.
P_I_Staker 2y ago
Lots of people in tech have never heard of pair programming, because it's an absurd idea. This site isn't just silicon valley. This is a tiny fraction of the tech universe.

by feoren 2y ago

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_akhe 2y ago

Here's my brutally honest take on pair programming: Usually 1 person wants to do it more than the other, and usually that person is being unnecessarily assertive. The only scenario I think pair programming is socially acceptable to force on developers is a senior type onboarding a new developer out of necessity - might screen share and direct them around some places to show the ropes. Of course if you love to hang out with someone else while you write code for some reason - more power to you, have fun. For me it's a private thing, even after 20+ years. If anything the LLM is a much more useful sidekick to figure things out. > Can't talk and code means can't code at all I disagree with that, I can't even have lyrics in my music really if I'm working on something super hard especially outside my normal wheelhouse. It would at least be disruptive. The last time "hanging out and coding" was a thing was learning it for the first time - I used to hang out with friends as a kid and we would all try to figure out what Visual Basic was lol and I remember hanging with a friend learning JavaScript during the early web days, drinking coffee through the night, good times. These days it would feel forced and can't imagine why anyone would regularly pair program, especially now with LLMs.

P_I_Staker 2y ago

Lots of people in tech have never heard of pair programming, because it's an absurd idea. This site isn't just silicon valley. This is a tiny fraction of the tech universe.