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> Heck, you can't even build your own app for your own iPhone without buying another hardware (a Mac, this is not a software issue, this is a legal issue, iOS S

> Heck, you can't even build your own app for your own iPhone without buying another hardware (a Mac, this is not a software issue, this is a legal issue, iOS SDK is licensed to you on the condition of using on Apple hardware only) and a yearly subscription. How is this acceptable at all? Because they set the terms of use of the SDK? You're not required to use it. You aren't required to develop for iOS. Just because Google gives it all away for free doesn't mean Apple has to.

ClumsyPilot 3y ago
> You aren't required to develop for iOS Do you have a legal right to write software or run your own software for hardware you bought? Because it’s very easy to take away a right by erecting aritificial barriers, just like how you could discriminate by race at work, but pretend you are doing something else,
- ToucanLoucan 3y ago
  > Do you have a legal right to write software or run your own software for hardware you bought? I've never heard of such a thing. Ideally I'd like that, but I don't have such freedoms with the computers in my cars, for example, or the one that operates my furnace, or even for certain parts of my PC.
  - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
    So you bought "a thing' but you can't control what it does, how it does it, you don't get to decide what data it collects or who can see that data. You aren't allowed to repair the "thing' because the software can detect you changed something and will refuse to boot. And whenever it suits the manufacturer, they will decide when the 'thing' is declared out of support and stops functioning. I would say you are not an owner then, you (and me) and just suckers that are paying for the party. Maybe it's a lease. But then we also pay when it breaks, so it more of a digital feudalism.
- paulmd 3y ago
  > Do you have a legal right to write software or run your own software for hardware you bought? No, obviously not. Do you have a right to run a custom OS on your PS5? Do you have a right to run a custom application on your cable set-top box? Etc. Such a right obviously doesn’t exist and most people generally are somewhere between “don’t care” and actively rejecting it for various reasons (hacking in games, content DRM, etc). It’s fine if you think there should be, but it continues this weird trend of using apple as a foil for complaining about random other issues that other vendors tend to be just as bad or oftentimes even worse about, simply because they’re a large company with a large group of anti-fans/haters who will readily nod along. Remember when the complaint was that the pelican case of factory OEM tools you could rent (or buy) to install your factory replacement screen was too big and bulky, meaning it was really just a plot to sabotage right to repair? https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-service-iphone-repair-kit-hands-on https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi...
  - dns_snek 3y ago
    > Remember when the complaint was that the pelican case of factory OEM tools you could rent (or buy) to install your factory replacement screen was too big and bulky, meaning it was really just a plot to sabotage right to repair? Yes, I do. That was and continues to be a valid complaint, among all other anti-repair schemes Apple have come up with over the years. DRM for parts, complete unavailability of some commonly repaired parts, deliberate kneecapping of "Apple authorized service providers", leveraging the US customs to seize shipments of legitimate and/or unlabeled replacement parts as "counterfeits", gaslighting by official representatives on Apple's own forums about data recovery, sabotaging right to repair laws, and even denial of design issues[1] to weasel out of warranty repair just to name a few. All with the simple anti-competitive goal of making third party repair (both authorized and independent) a less attractive option due to artificially increased prices, timelines to repair, or scaremongering about privacy. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/weakened-right-to-repair-bill-is-signed-into-law-by-new-yorks-governor/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/weakened-right-to-re... https://www.pcgamer.com/ifixit-says-apples-iphone-14-is-literally-not-repairable-due-to-strict-parts-validation-rule/ https://www.pcgamer.com/ifixit-says-apples-iphone-14-is-lite... [1] Butterfly keyboards, display cables that were too short and failed over time
- paulmd 2y ago
  Actually to be fully clear, in many cases you have an anti-right: literally not only do you not have a right, but it’s illegal to circumvent technological restrictions intended to prevent the thing you want to do. As noxious as that whole thing is, it’s literally the law. I agree the outcome is horrifying of course… stallman was right all along, it’s either your device or it’s not. And legally speaking, we have decided it’s ok to go with “not”.
rfoo 3y ago
> You aren't required to develop for iOS. Sure, as a SWE I'm not going to buy a computer unable to run my own code. A smartphone is an ergonomic portable computer, so I say no to iPhone and would like to remind others who didn't have a deep think into this about it.

ClumsyPilot 3y ago

> You aren't required to develop for iOS Do you have a legal right to write software or run your own software for hardware you bought? Because it’s very easy to take away a right by erecting aritificial barriers, just like how you could discriminate by race at work, but pretend you are doing something else,

ToucanLoucan 3y ago
> Do you have a legal right to write software or run your own software for hardware you bought? I've never heard of such a thing. Ideally I'd like that, but I don't have such freedoms with the computers in my cars, for example, or the one that operates my furnace, or even for certain parts of my PC.
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  So you bought "a thing' but you can't control what it does, how it does it, you don't get to decide what data it collects or who can see that data. You aren't allowed to repair the "thing' because the software can detect you changed something and will refuse to boot. And whenever it suits the manufacturer, they will decide when the 'thing' is declared out of support and stops functioning. I would say you are not an owner then, you (and me) and just suckers that are paying for the party. Maybe it's a lease. But then we also pay when it breaks, so it more of a digital feudalism.
paulmd 3y ago
> Do you have a legal right to write software or run your own software for hardware you bought? No, obviously not. Do you have a right to run a custom OS on your PS5? Do you have a right to run a custom application on your cable set-top box? Etc. Such a right obviously doesn’t exist and most people generally are somewhere between “don’t care” and actively rejecting it for various reasons (hacking in games, content DRM, etc). It’s fine if you think there should be, but it continues this weird trend of using apple as a foil for complaining about random other issues that other vendors tend to be just as bad or oftentimes even worse about, simply because they’re a large company with a large group of anti-fans/haters who will readily nod along. Remember when the complaint was that the pelican case of factory OEM tools you could rent (or buy) to install your factory replacement screen was too big and bulky, meaning it was really just a plot to sabotage right to repair? https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-service-iphone-repair-kit-hands-on https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi...
- dns_snek 3y ago
  > Remember when the complaint was that the pelican case of factory OEM tools you could rent (or buy) to install your factory replacement screen was too big and bulky, meaning it was really just a plot to sabotage right to repair? Yes, I do. That was and continues to be a valid complaint, among all other anti-repair schemes Apple have come up with over the years. DRM for parts, complete unavailability of some commonly repaired parts, deliberate kneecapping of "Apple authorized service providers", leveraging the US customs to seize shipments of legitimate and/or unlabeled replacement parts as "counterfeits", gaslighting by official representatives on Apple's own forums about data recovery, sabotaging right to repair laws, and even denial of design issues[1] to weasel out of warranty repair just to name a few. All with the simple anti-competitive goal of making third party repair (both authorized and independent) a less attractive option due to artificially increased prices, timelines to repair, or scaremongering about privacy. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/weakened-right-to-repair-bill-is-signed-into-law-by-new-yorks-governor/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/weakened-right-to-re... https://www.pcgamer.com/ifixit-says-apples-iphone-14-is-literally-not-repairable-due-to-strict-parts-validation-rule/ https://www.pcgamer.com/ifixit-says-apples-iphone-14-is-lite... [1] Butterfly keyboards, display cables that were too short and failed over time
paulmd 2y ago
Actually to be fully clear, in many cases you have an anti-right: literally not only do you not have a right, but it’s illegal to circumvent technological restrictions intended to prevent the thing you want to do. As noxious as that whole thing is, it’s literally the law. I agree the outcome is horrifying of course… stallman was right all along, it’s either your device or it’s not. And legally speaking, we have decided it’s ok to go with “not”.

rfoo 3y ago

> You aren't required to develop for iOS. Sure, as a SWE I'm not going to buy a computer unable to run my own code. A smartphone is an ergonomic portable computer, so I say no to iPhone and would like to remind others who didn't have a deep think into this about it.