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nolongerthere 2y ago
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        nolongerthere 2y ago
        > And I quoted an ICJ ruling that said "at least some of the acts alleged by South Africa appear to fall under the provisions of the Genocide Convention" As I re-read this, I struggle to understand what this means; everything done during war time falls under the provisions of the Genocide Convention, that doesn't mean that genocide is happening, but rather again, that it's a war and people are being killed. Its kinda like calling an airstrike against a military target "premediated murder in the first degree" or calling all soldiers who have killed the enemy serial killers. If you squint and remove all context the labels apply but they're meaningless under our current understanding of those words. > I also never claimed that risk of losing your right to be protected from genocide is like getting your Nintendo Switch stolen, it was just a pointer for you to think about what it actually would mean. "I never made the comparison, I just made the comparison because I was conducting a social experiment" Ok, I'll let you continue trying to figure out what you mean by that. If we go back to your original comment, you also made a number of false statements in there: > Israel is actively blocking delivery of food to the civilian population and has already in one case caused a massacre of people trying to get their hands on basic supplies. This is totally false. Israel is not actively blocking delivery of food and the case of a massacre can be clearly seen in video to be caused by people trampling each other after attempting to rush at a platoon of soldiers. > At the same time, a minister in the government is publicly calling for occupying Gaza and "motivating" civilians to "voluntarily" leave. Would you care to explain what specifically is problematic about saying that terrorists should be encouraged to move their terror activities away from Israel? Or what is problematic about Israel governing an area that they've shown they can govern in a much more democratic and fair way than the currently elected suicidal death cult? Were you upset when the US occupied Germany for 11 years? and continued to have a large presence for the next 30 years? > But speaking of holes, I guess I discounted the large void between your ears. Insults are always used by those who know they've lost. Thank you for admitting defeat.
        locallost 2y ago
        I never made a social experiment either. People with something between their ears are able to scroll up and see I wrote as a direct reply to the claim "it's ridiculous to even say that". I then proceeded to mention this to you explicitly several times, but I guess you needed a flowchart to connect the dots. You can verify all this by scrolling up but I am not holding my breath. It's funny how I say "minister 'motivating' civilians" and you ask and replace civilians with terrorists. Wasn't there an old looney tunes cartoon with a not very bright character picking up a can of gasoline and blowing himself up after saying g-a-s what a strange way to write water? I guess he won at being stupid, which seems to be a common theme here. Congratulations on your victory.
        nolongerthere 2y ago
        "Insults are the last refuge of insecure men with crumbling arguments." By showing your inability to have a civil discussion you've proven you don't have a leg to stand on.
        locallost 2y ago
        They are also the last refuge of people who wrote civilians and got asked about terrorists as if they were the same thing. Well, for you in any case the same - only a dead Palestinian is a good dehumanized Palestinian, they are all the same.
        nolongerthere 2y ago
        > only a dead Palestinian is a good dehumanized Palestinian, they are all the same. Is that what you believe? That's a pretty grotesque thing to say, even if it's not really clear what it means. Instead of failed attempts to cast insults and innuendos why don't you actually address the discussion. Admit that you made a grotesque comparison in an attempt to prove your moral superiority but instead got caught in your own hubris. Admit that you're making up quotes left and right so you can try to salvage some part of your argument, admit that you're putting words in other peoples mouths so you can build up strawmen to attack. Admit that every time you're shown you're wrong you refuse to even acknowledge it and instead start hurling insults as if that will make people forget the preposterous arguments you attempted. Admit that not once in this entire discussion did you approach it with even an ounce of curiosity, and instead assumed malice at every step. Then we can continue to have some sort of civil discussion, otherwise you're tilting at windmills and it makes you look foolish. You've broken nearly every hn guideline for good discussion and continue to fume, it might be time to step back and step away for a bit.

runarberg 2y ago

> Kinda like the other famous holocaust survivor who is funding a lot of the college campus protests Seriously? You have been accusing me of anti-semitism but now you play straight into a harmful and anti-semitic conspiracy theory about George Soros, with hints to another very damaging and equally anti-semitic conspiracy theory about Cultural Marxism. For what it is worth, George Soros does not fund any of the student movements responsible for the pro-Palestinian and anti-genocide encampments. One of the charities he helps fund has awarded grants to two student organization which the New York Post has claimed (but now proven) to be involved in the protests[1]. This is several degrees of separations, and the link is on flaky grounds. Kapos’ interview above was excellent. He describes visiting another holocaust survivor [T=00:05:17] in Israel and being shocked at how racist she was: > Yet she came back to Israel, and she was as racist as the rest of them, against the Palestinians. > I think this has to do with the extreme propaganda, and the dehumanization. Zionism was a very unfortunate and sad development for the Jewish people. It broke a much longer tradition of always being on the side of the oppressed, not the oppressor. And the charitable nature of Judaism and the humanity they advocate, into a kind of exceptionalism and nationalism. And in practical terms the impossible project of taking over another people’s country. > So when I visited them—that was my first brush of Zionism—I was completely shocked—despite their experiences during the Holocaust—they were racist, against the Palestinians. I couldn’t understand it, and I can’t understand it, but they were, and there is no denying it. And I found that racism was prevailing generally in Israel. And I turned strongly against that. 1: https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/may/02/fact-checking-claims-that-george-soros-is-paying-s/ https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/may/02/fact-checking...

locallost 2y ago
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  Are you ok? You're coming off as more and more unhinged each time you comment. I'd highly recommend you step away from the computer and step outside, enjoy the fresh air, take your mind off of your troubles. I can say honestly I have no idea what the above comment means, but, sincerely, I didn't mean to break you.
  - locallost 2y ago
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      Again, nothing you've said in the above comment has made any sense, I highly recommend you take a deep breath and step back and consider taking a day away from electronics, I promise you, you'll feel much better, maybe like that child camping in Gaza with her parents.
      - locallost 2y ago
        Of course it doesn't make any sense to you, we've already identified the reasons. Or the main reason. The last sentence really defines you. You feel mighty and powerful don't you, you know it's your time and nothing can stop you. Here's a song you can sing to celebrate this accomplishment: https://youtu.be/_tUctFu46_c?feature=shared https://youtu.be/_tUctFu46_c?feature=shared
        nolongerthere 2y ago
        You continue to hurl nonsensical insults instead of meaningfully engaging in the topic at hand. I’m sorry you’re feeling so hurt and upset, hopefully you’ll heed my well intentioned advice and take a sabbatical from your culture war, just to recharge and gain perspective. As long as we’re giving each other extra curricular activities I suggest you read this book: https://www.amazon.com/High-Conflict-Why-Get-Trapped/dp/1982128569 https://www.amazon.com/High-Conflict-Why-Get-Trapped/dp/1982... I promise you it’ll make you a happier less brooding person. As there doesn’t seem to be anything productive happening here, this my au revoir. I hope you find the internal peace you’re so sorely missing.
        dang 2y ago
        You both broke the site guidelines so outrageously and so often in this hellish flamewar that I need to reply even though it is over a week later. If you break the site guidelines like this again on HN, we will have to ban you, no matter how provocative someone else's comments are or you feel they are. Absolutely no more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        locallost 2y ago
        Me: I will spend days bickering about something nobody cares about and be petty about it Also me: I am the world renowned expert on letting go For the people that have trouble getting things, where it says "me" it's actually meant "you"
        dang 2y ago
        You both broke the site guidelines so outrageously and so often in this hellish flamewar that I need to reply even though it is over a week later. If you break the site guidelines like this again on HN, we will have to ban you, no matter how provocative someone else's comments are or you feel they are. Absolutely no more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html