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>Apple CPUs are objectively leagues ahead of their competition in the mobile space This is a lie. The latest Android SoCs are just as powerful as the A series.

by kernal 2y ago

>Apple CPUs are objectively leagues ahead of their competition in the mobile space This is a lie. The latest Android SoCs are just as powerful as the A series. >Because even a 4 years old IPhone still has specs that don't lag behind by much the equivalent Android phones, I still receive the latest OS updates, and because frankly, Android OS is mess. Samsung and Google offer 7 years of OS and security updates. I believe that beats the Apple policy.

martimarkov 2y ago
Strangle Android 14 seems to not be available for s20 phone which was released in 2020? Or am I mistaken here?
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Jtsummers 2y ago
> Samsung and Google offer 7 years of OS and security updates. I believe that beats the Apple policy. On the second part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPadOS_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPadOS_version_history The last iPads to stop getting OS updates (including security, to be consistent with what Samsung and Google are pledging) got 7 and 9 years of updates each (5th gen iPad and 1st gen iPad Pro). The last iPhones to lose support got about 7 years each (iPhone 8 and X). 6S, SE (1st), and 7 got 9 and 8 years of OS support with security updates. The 5S (released in 2013) last got a security update in early 2023, so also about 9 years, the 6 (2014) ended at the same time so let's call it 8 years. The 4S, 2011, got 8 years of OS support. 5 and 5C got 7 and 6 years of support (5C was 5 in a new case, so was always going to get a year less in support). Apple has not, that I've seen at least, ever established a long term support policy on iPhones and iPads, but the numbers show they're doing at least as well as what Samsung and Google are promising to do, but have not yet done. And they've been doing this for more than a decade now. EDIT: Reworked the iOS numbers a bit, down to the month (I was looking at years above and rounding, so this is more accurate). iOS support time by device for devices that cannot use the current iOS 17 (so the XS and above are not counted here) in months: 1st - 32 3G - 37 3GS - 56 4 - 48 4S - 93 5 - 81 5C - 69 5S - 112 6 - 100 6S - 102 SE - 96 7 - 90 8 - 78 X - 76 The average is 72.5 months, just over 6 years. If we knock out the first 2 phones (both have somewhat justifiable short support periods, massive hardware changes between each and their successor) the average jumps to just shy of 79 months, or about 6.5 years. The 8 and X look like regressions, but their last updates were just 2 months ago (March 21, 2024) so still a good chance their support period will increase and exceed the 7 year mark like every model since the 5S. We'll have to see if they get any more updates in November 2024 or later to see if they can hit the 7 year mark.
- kernal 2y ago
  >The last iPads to stop getting OS updates (including security, to be consistent with what Samsung and Google are pledging) got 7 and 9 years of updates each (5th gen iPad and 1st gen iPad Pro). The last iPhones to lose support got about 7 years each (iPhone 8 and X). 6S, SE (1st), and 7 got 9 and 8 years of OS support with security updates. The 5S (released in 2013) last got a security update in early 2023, so also about 9 years, the 6 (2014) ended at the same time so let's call it 8 years. The 4S, 2011, got 8 years of OS support. 5 and 5C got 7 and 6 years of support (5C was 5 in a new case, so was always going to get a year less in support). These are very disingenuous numbers that don't tell the complete story. An iPhone 7 getting a single critical security patch does not take into account the hundreds of security patches it did not receive when it stopped receiving support. It received that special update because Apple likely was told or discovered it was being exploited in the wild. Google and Samsung now offer 7 years of OS upgrades and 84 months of full security patches. Selectively patching a phone that is out of the support window with a single security patch does not automatically increase its EOL support date.
  - Jtsummers 2y ago
    They made that pledge for the Pixel 8 (2023). Let's revisit this in 2030 and see what the nature of their support is at that point and how it compares to Apple's support for iPhone devices. We can't make a real comparison since they haven't done anything yet, only made promises. What we can do today is note that Apple never made a promise, but did provide very long security support for their devices despite that. They've already met or come close to the Samsung/Google pledge (for one device) on almost half their devices, and those are all the recent ones (so it's not a downward trend of good support then bad support, but rather mediocre/bad support to improving and increasingly good support). Another fun one: iPhone XS was released in September 2018, it is on the current iOS 17 release. In the absolute worst case of it losing iOS 18 support in September, it will have received 6 full years of support in both security and OS updates. It'll still hit 7 years (comfortably) of security updates. If it does get iOS 18 support in September, then Apple will hit the Samsung/Google pledge 5 years before Samsung/Google can even demonstrate their ability to follow through (Samsung has a chance, but Google has no history of commitment). I have time to kill before training for a century ride: Let's ignore everything before iPhone 4S, they had short support periods that's just a fact and hardly worth investigating. This is an analysis of devices released in 2011 and later, when the phones had, mostly, matured as a device so we should be expecting longer support periods. These are the support periods when the phones were able to run the still-current iOS versions, not counting later security updates or minor updates but after the major iOS version had been deprecated. As an example, for the iPhone 4S it had support from 2011-2016. In 2016 its OS, iOS 9, was replaced by iOS 10. Here are the numbers: 4S - 5 years 5 - 5 years 5C - 4 years (decreased, 5 hardware but released a year later in a different case) 5S - 6 years 6 - 5 years (decreased, not sure why) 6S - 7 years (hey, Apple did it! 2015 release, lost iOS upgrades in 2022) SE(1st) - 5 years (like 5C, 6S hardware but released later) 7 - 6 years (decreased over 6S, not sure why) 8 - 6 years X - 6 years The 6S is a bit of an outlier, hitting 7 years of full support running the current iOS. 5C and SE(1st) both got less total support, but their internals were the same as prior phones and they lost support at the same time as them (this is reasonable, if annoying, and does drag down the average). So Apple has clearly trended towards 6 years of full support, the XS (as noted above) will get at least 6 years of support as of this coming September. We'll have to see if they can get it past the 7 year mark, I know they haven't promised anything but the trend suggests they can.

by kernal 2y ago

martimarkov 2y ago

Strangle Android 14 seems to not be available for s20 phone which was released in 2020? Or am I mistaken here?

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Jtsummers 2y ago

> Samsung and Google offer 7 years of OS and security updates. I believe that beats the Apple policy. On the second part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPadOS_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPadOS_version_history The last iPads to stop getting OS updates (including security, to be consistent with what Samsung and Google are pledging) got 7 and 9 years of updates each (5th gen iPad and 1st gen iPad Pro). The last iPhones to lose support got about 7 years each (iPhone 8 and X). 6S, SE (1st), and 7 got 9 and 8 years of OS support with security updates. The 5S (released in 2013) last got a security update in early 2023, so also about 9 years, the 6 (2014) ended at the same time so let's call it 8 years. The 4S, 2011, got 8 years of OS support. 5 and 5C got 7 and 6 years of support (5C was 5 in a new case, so was always going to get a year less in support). Apple has not, that I've seen at least, ever established a long term support policy on iPhones and iPads, but the numbers show they're doing at least as well as what Samsung and Google are promising to do, but have not yet done. And they've been doing this for more than a decade now. EDIT: Reworked the iOS numbers a bit, down to the month (I was looking at years above and rounding, so this is more accurate). iOS support time by device for devices that cannot use the current iOS 17 (so the XS and above are not counted here) in months: 1st - 32 3G - 37 3GS - 56 4 - 48 4S - 93 5 - 81 5C - 69 5S - 112 6 - 100 6S - 102 SE - 96 7 - 90 8 - 78 X - 76 The average is 72.5 months, just over 6 years. If we knock out the first 2 phones (both have somewhat justifiable short support periods, massive hardware changes between each and their successor) the average jumps to just shy of 79 months, or about 6.5 years. The 8 and X look like regressions, but their last updates were just 2 months ago (March 21, 2024) so still a good chance their support period will increase and exceed the 7 year mark like every model since the 5S. We'll have to see if they get any more updates in November 2024 or later to see if they can hit the 7 year mark.

kernal 2y ago
>The last iPads to stop getting OS updates (including security, to be consistent with what Samsung and Google are pledging) got 7 and 9 years of updates each (5th gen iPad and 1st gen iPad Pro). The last iPhones to lose support got about 7 years each (iPhone 8 and X). 6S, SE (1st), and 7 got 9 and 8 years of OS support with security updates. The 5S (released in 2013) last got a security update in early 2023, so also about 9 years, the 6 (2014) ended at the same time so let's call it 8 years. The 4S, 2011, got 8 years of OS support. 5 and 5C got 7 and 6 years of support (5C was 5 in a new case, so was always going to get a year less in support). These are very disingenuous numbers that don't tell the complete story. An iPhone 7 getting a single critical security patch does not take into account the hundreds of security patches it did not receive when it stopped receiving support. It received that special update because Apple likely was told or discovered it was being exploited in the wild. Google and Samsung now offer 7 years of OS upgrades and 84 months of full security patches. Selectively patching a phone that is out of the support window with a single security patch does not automatically increase its EOL support date.
- Jtsummers 2y ago
  They made that pledge for the Pixel 8 (2023). Let's revisit this in 2030 and see what the nature of their support is at that point and how it compares to Apple's support for iPhone devices. We can't make a real comparison since they haven't done anything yet, only made promises. What we can do today is note that Apple never made a promise, but did provide very long security support for their devices despite that. They've already met or come close to the Samsung/Google pledge (for one device) on almost half their devices, and those are all the recent ones (so it's not a downward trend of good support then bad support, but rather mediocre/bad support to improving and increasingly good support). Another fun one: iPhone XS was released in September 2018, it is on the current iOS 17 release. In the absolute worst case of it losing iOS 18 support in September, it will have received 6 full years of support in both security and OS updates. It'll still hit 7 years (comfortably) of security updates. If it does get iOS 18 support in September, then Apple will hit the Samsung/Google pledge 5 years before Samsung/Google can even demonstrate their ability to follow through (Samsung has a chance, but Google has no history of commitment). I have time to kill before training for a century ride: Let's ignore everything before iPhone 4S, they had short support periods that's just a fact and hardly worth investigating. This is an analysis of devices released in 2011 and later, when the phones had, mostly, matured as a device so we should be expecting longer support periods. These are the support periods when the phones were able to run the still-current iOS versions, not counting later security updates or minor updates but after the major iOS version had been deprecated. As an example, for the iPhone 4S it had support from 2011-2016. In 2016 its OS, iOS 9, was replaced by iOS 10. Here are the numbers: 4S - 5 years 5 - 5 years 5C - 4 years (decreased, 5 hardware but released a year later in a different case) 5S - 6 years 6 - 5 years (decreased, not sure why) 6S - 7 years (hey, Apple did it! 2015 release, lost iOS upgrades in 2022) SE(1st) - 5 years (like 5C, 6S hardware but released later) 7 - 6 years (decreased over 6S, not sure why) 8 - 6 years X - 6 years The 6S is a bit of an outlier, hitting 7 years of full support running the current iOS. 5C and SE(1st) both got less total support, but their internals were the same as prior phones and they lost support at the same time as them (this is reasonable, if annoying, and does drag down the average). So Apple has clearly trended towards 6 years of full support, the XS (as noted above) will get at least 6 years of support as of this coming September. We'll have to see if they can get it past the 7 year mark, I know they haven't promised anything but the trend suggests they can.