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AI PC is a specific marketing term which Intel is using for their NPU-equipped products where they’re emphasizing low-power AI: https://www.intel.com/content/w

• sudosysgen 3y ago
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  • nomel 3y ago
    > Then make a comparison on perf/watt. You need to understand that the presentation, and product, wasn't made for the perf/watt crowd. That’s also why they’re so successful with consumer electronics: 9X% of the population is not part of the perf/watt crowd.
    • sudosysgen 3y ago
      I understand the product and the use cases. 90+% of people don't care about perf/watt, because it's an irrelevant implementation detail. People care about speed and autonomy. The average user who is comparing this against a PC for AI stuff would prefer a faster PC with a (much!) larger battery and the same autonomy at the end of day in that task but that's much faster every time. If I need to do intensive enough on-device AI workloads for efficiency to matter and on battery, why would I take an iPad with a 30Wh battery, 2x perf/watt, and 1x speed over a laptop with a 65Wh battery, 1x perf/watt, and 10x speed? The latter will give me a better experience, it will be more responsive and last longer. So at the end of the day, Apple's comparison is extremely misleading at best, and a straightforward lie at worst.
      • nomel 3y ago
        > the average user who is comparing this against a PC for AI stuff If your primary use case is local AI on battery, you're probably into some small hundredths of a percent of the population here, who would be better served on some budget cloud compute (self deployed even) rather than heating up your lap. > why would I take an iPad with a 30Wh battery... Because it fits between the pages of the book in your backpack, has a nice pencil, and can *also* do ok with local AI.
        • sudosysgen 3y ago
          > If your primary use case is local AI on battery, you're probably into some small hundredths of a percent of the population here, who would be better served on some budget cloud compute (self deployed even) rather than heating up your lap. There is no other use case where the power efficiency of the NPU matters, so you should direct this criticism at Apple. > Because it fits between the pages of the book in your backpack, has a nice pencil, and can also do ok with local AI. So if the only avantage is the form factor, why did Apple decide to compare it against PCs?
          • nomel 2y ago
            > The average user who is comparing this against a PC for AI stuff would prefer a faster PC I'm saying this would not be an average user. The average user would not be comparing AI capabilities, they open an app that uses AI, with a high chance of not even being aware of it. > So if the only avantage is the form factor, why did Apple decide to compare it against PCs? What should they have compared it to? There's only one other tablet on the market, with an old chipset and a fraction of the performance, that just received its first real video editor late last year [1]. I agree though, they could/should have made clearer comparisons, along with Intel, AMD, Samsung, Nvidia, and everyone else. But, as with all general audience marketing presentations from all tech companies, vested technically literate users will look to the benchmarks, after release. [1] https://r2.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-Store-Apps-more/LumaFusion-video-editing-app-is-now-available-for-Samsung-Galaxy/td-p/13366995 https://r2.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-Store-Apps-more/L...
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