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Such a short-sighted comment. In 1995, when these mid-50s people were considering making their first home purchase, mortgage rates were around 7.93%, higher tha

Such a short-sighted comment. In 1995, when these mid-50s people were considering making their first home purchase, mortgage rates were around 7.93%, higher than today. https://www.bankrate.com/mortgages/historical-mortgage-rates/#current-rates https://www.bankrate.com/mortgages/historical-mortgage-rates...

mtalantikite 2y ago
I'm not understanding, can you elaborate on your thought here? What makes you think these people were considering buying a home in 1995? They clearly were talking about their 2% interest rate loan they got during the pandemic. Just because they're in their mid-50s doesn't mean they were trying to buy a home in the 90s. Also, in the 90s in Brooklyn you could get a condo for quite a lot cheaper -- the building I live in in Williamsburg was built a couple years before 1995 and the condos sold for $40k then (about $80k with inflation). Today they go for about $1.2 million. A 7.93% loan on $40k is quite a lot more affordable than on $1.2 million.
- listenallyall 2y ago
  What makes you think they weren't trying to buy a home when they were younger? You clearly want to own, why do you think they didn't? Williamsburg (and most of Brooklyn besides Park Slope and Brooklyn Heights) was cheap because it was pretty much a hellhole in the early 90s. Starbucks? Lol. Quality restaurants or cool nightlife? Train to Manhattan. Professional jobs? None. Murder & crime rates at their peaks. Williamsburg costs a lot because current residents benefit greatly from 30+ years of gentrification, community building and services.
  - mtalantikite 2y ago
    Exactly, we can't speculate on what they did in their 20s. All we can do is go from what they said, which was basically "We can't justify moving because we'd have to get a mortgage at a much higher rate". I don't think that's uncommon. I have plenty of friends that bought with 2% interest rates, and they wouldn't be able to afford the places they got with 7% rates. It's also not uncommon for people to be in their 40s and 50s without owning a place in NYC, I have plenty of friends also in that boat. And yeah I've been in BK for almost 20 years now, I remember hanging out in Williamsburg in 2000 when I was in college, it wasn't that bad. I actually prefer the old version of it to what it is now. Sure, it wasn't the Los Sures of the 80s by the time I got here, but it was a lot more fun. I only had my life threatened once and we deescalated quickly!
    - listenallyall 2y ago
      Wait, so you're in your 40s? What was the point of mentioning that the people you overheard were in their 50s? You've spent your entire adult life, 20 years, living in one of the most "cool, hip, upscale" neighborhoods in the world, obviously that location and lifestyle comes with a high price tag. If somebody repeatedly bought brand-new Ferraris for 20 years, you'd shake your head if they started complaining about money.
anonfordays 2y ago
Adjusted for inflation, housing was significantly cheaper in 1990 than it is today.
- listenallyall 2y ago
  Not the point. OP was jealous of the "nearly free money," i.e the low interest rate, not the amount borrowed.
  - mtalantikite 2y ago
    I'm actually not jealous, I'm happy for my friends that were able to buy. I just think it was a silly, shortsighted policy move. The 2% rate that people are locked into is only part of the problem of course. There's just not much inventory in NYC or in many other cities.
maxsilver 2y ago
Sure, but in 1995 you could also get a nice house for like 40k. An equivalent home today costs about 400k. 8% interest on 40k is only $63k interest paid (A 1995 home had a total cost of $123k) 8% interest on 400k is $633k (that same home in 2024 has a total cost of $1.2 million dollars)
- philipkglass 2y ago
  You wouldn't expect to get a nice house for $40,000 in 1995 in the United States. The median sale price for a house was $133,000 in Q1 1995: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS
- listenallyall 2y ago
  > in 1995 you could also get a nice house for like 40k Ummm, where? And the parent comment was about the low interest rate ("nearly free money") not the amount. What I do know is that many professional-class students can start their careers, i.e. first-year salary, at $100k and often significantly more. In 1995 nobody earned even $50k straight out of school. Economy-wide inflation numbers are weighed down by low-paying jobs, therefore greatly under-estimate how much professional (i.e. most likely to be home buyers) salaries and early earning potential has grown over the past 30 years.

mtalantikite 2y ago

I'm not understanding, can you elaborate on your thought here? What makes you think these people were considering buying a home in 1995? They clearly were talking about their 2% interest rate loan they got during the pandemic. Just because they're in their mid-50s doesn't mean they were trying to buy a home in the 90s. Also, in the 90s in Brooklyn you could get a condo for quite a lot cheaper -- the building I live in in Williamsburg was built a couple years before 1995 and the condos sold for $40k then (about $80k with inflation). Today they go for about $1.2 million. A 7.93% loan on $40k is quite a lot more affordable than on $1.2 million.

listenallyall 2y ago
What makes you think they weren't trying to buy a home when they were younger? You clearly want to own, why do you think they didn't? Williamsburg (and most of Brooklyn besides Park Slope and Brooklyn Heights) was cheap because it was pretty much a hellhole in the early 90s. Starbucks? Lol. Quality restaurants or cool nightlife? Train to Manhattan. Professional jobs? None. Murder & crime rates at their peaks. Williamsburg costs a lot because current residents benefit greatly from 30+ years of gentrification, community building and services.
- mtalantikite 2y ago
  Exactly, we can't speculate on what they did in their 20s. All we can do is go from what they said, which was basically "We can't justify moving because we'd have to get a mortgage at a much higher rate". I don't think that's uncommon. I have plenty of friends that bought with 2% interest rates, and they wouldn't be able to afford the places they got with 7% rates. It's also not uncommon for people to be in their 40s and 50s without owning a place in NYC, I have plenty of friends also in that boat. And yeah I've been in BK for almost 20 years now, I remember hanging out in Williamsburg in 2000 when I was in college, it wasn't that bad. I actually prefer the old version of it to what it is now. Sure, it wasn't the Los Sures of the 80s by the time I got here, but it was a lot more fun. I only had my life threatened once and we deescalated quickly!
  - listenallyall 2y ago
    Wait, so you're in your 40s? What was the point of mentioning that the people you overheard were in their 50s? You've spent your entire adult life, 20 years, living in one of the most "cool, hip, upscale" neighborhoods in the world, obviously that location and lifestyle comes with a high price tag. If somebody repeatedly bought brand-new Ferraris for 20 years, you'd shake your head if they started complaining about money.

anonfordays 2y ago

Adjusted for inflation, housing was significantly cheaper in 1990 than it is today.

listenallyall 2y ago
Not the point. OP was jealous of the "nearly free money," i.e the low interest rate, not the amount borrowed.
- mtalantikite 2y ago
  I'm actually not jealous, I'm happy for my friends that were able to buy. I just think it was a silly, shortsighted policy move. The 2% rate that people are locked into is only part of the problem of course. There's just not much inventory in NYC or in many other cities.

maxsilver 2y ago

Sure, but in 1995 you could also get a nice house for like 40k. An equivalent home today costs about 400k. 8% interest on 40k is only $63k interest paid (A 1995 home had a total cost of $123k) 8% interest on 400k is $633k (that same home in 2024 has a total cost of $1.2 million dollars)

philipkglass 2y ago
You wouldn't expect to get a nice house for $40,000 in 1995 in the United States. The median sale price for a house was $133,000 in Q1 1995: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS
listenallyall 2y ago
> in 1995 you could also get a nice house for like 40k Ummm, where? And the parent comment was about the low interest rate ("nearly free money") not the amount. What I do know is that many professional-class students can start their careers, i.e. first-year salary, at $100k and often significantly more. In 1995 nobody earned even $50k straight out of school. Economy-wide inflation numbers are weighed down by low-paying jobs, therefore greatly under-estimate how much professional (i.e. most likely to be home buyers) salaries and early earning potential has grown over the past 30 years.