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> will introduce Incredible that in the future there will be better chips than what Apple is releasing now.

hmottestad 2y ago
Don’t worry. It’s Intel we’re talking about. They may say that it’s coming out in 6 months, but that’s never stopped them from releasing it in 3 years instead.
- adrian_b 2y ago
  AMD is the one that has given more precise values (77 TOPS) for their launch, their partners are testing the engineering samples and some laptop product listings seem to have been already leaked, so the launch is expected soon (presentation in June, commercial availability no more than a few months later).
- spxneo 2y ago
  I literally don't give a fck about Intel anymore they are irrelevant The taiwanese silicon industrial complex deserves our dollars. Their workers are insanely hard working and it shows in its product.
  - benced 2y ago
    There's no Taiwanese silicon industrial complex, there's TSMC. The rest of Taiwanese fabs are irrelevant. Intel is the clear #3 (and looks likely-ish to overtake Samsung? We'll see).
adrian_b 2y ago
The point is that it is a very near future, a few months away. Apple is also bragging very hyperbolically that the NPU they introduce right now is faster than all the older NPUs. So, while what Apple says, "The Most Powerful Neural Engine Ever" is true now, it will be true for only a few months. Apple has done a good job, so as it is normal, at launch their NPU is the fastest. However this does not deserve any special praise, it is just normal, as normal as the fact that the next NPU launched by a competitor will be faster. Only if the new Apple NPU would have been slower than the older models, that would have been a newsworthy failure. A newsworthy success would have been only if the new M4 would have had at least a triple performance than it has, so that the competitors would have needed more than a year to catch up with it.
- whynotminot 2y ago
  Is this the first time you're seeing marketing copy? This is an entirely normal thing to do. Apple has an advantage with the SoC they are releasing today, and they are going to talk about it. I expect we will see the same bragging from Apple's competitors whenever they actually launch the chips you're talking about. Apple has real silicon shipping right now. What you're talking about doesn't yet exist. > A newsworthy success would have been only if the new M4 would have had at least a triple performance than it has, so that the competitors would have needed more than a year to catch up with it. So you decide what's newsworthy now? Triple? That's so arbitrary. I certainly better not see you bragging about these supposed chips later if they're not three times faster than what Apple just released today.
  - adrian_b 2y ago
    I said triple, because the competitors are expected to have a double speed in a few months. If M4 were 3 times faster than it is, it would have remained faster than Strix Point and Arrow Lake, which would have been replaced only next year, giving supremacy to M4 for more than a year. If M4 were twice faster, it would have continued to share the first position for more than a year. As it is, it will be the fastest for one quarter, after which it will have only half of the top speed.
    - whynotminot 2y ago
      And then Apple will release M5 next year, presumably with another increase in TOPS that may well top their competitors. This is how product releases work.
      - spxneo 2y ago
        strongly doubt we will see M5 so soon
        thejazzman 2y ago
        the M3 was released Oct 30, 2023 the M4 was released May 7, 2024 [disco stu] if these trends continue, the M5 will be out on November 14, 2024

Don’t worry. It’s Intel we’re talking about. They may say that it’s coming out in 6 months, but that’s never stopped them from releasing it in 3 years instead.

adrian_b 2y ago
AMD is the one that has given more precise values (77 TOPS) for their launch, their partners are testing the engineering samples and some laptop product listings seem to have been already leaked, so the launch is expected soon (presentation in June, commercial availability no more than a few months later).
spxneo 2y ago
I literally don't give a fck about Intel anymore they are irrelevant The taiwanese silicon industrial complex deserves our dollars. Their workers are insanely hard working and it shows in its product.
- benced 2y ago
  There's no Taiwanese silicon industrial complex, there's TSMC. The rest of Taiwanese fabs are irrelevant. Intel is the clear #3 (and looks likely-ish to overtake Samsung? We'll see).

adrian_b 2y ago

The point is that it is a very near future, a few months away. Apple is also bragging very hyperbolically that the NPU they introduce right now is faster than all the older NPUs. So, while what Apple says, "The Most Powerful Neural Engine Ever" is true now, it will be true for only a few months. Apple has done a good job, so as it is normal, at launch their NPU is the fastest. However this does not deserve any special praise, it is just normal, as normal as the fact that the next NPU launched by a competitor will be faster. Only if the new Apple NPU would have been slower than the older models, that would have been a newsworthy failure. A newsworthy success would have been only if the new M4 would have had at least a triple performance than it has, so that the competitors would have needed more than a year to catch up with it.

whynotminot 2y ago
Is this the first time you're seeing marketing copy? This is an entirely normal thing to do. Apple has an advantage with the SoC they are releasing today, and they are going to talk about it. I expect we will see the same bragging from Apple's competitors whenever they actually launch the chips you're talking about. Apple has real silicon shipping right now. What you're talking about doesn't yet exist. > A newsworthy success would have been only if the new M4 would have had at least a triple performance than it has, so that the competitors would have needed more than a year to catch up with it. So you decide what's newsworthy now? Triple? That's so arbitrary. I certainly better not see you bragging about these supposed chips later if they're not three times faster than what Apple just released today.
- adrian_b 2y ago
  I said triple, because the competitors are expected to have a double speed in a few months. If M4 were 3 times faster than it is, it would have remained faster than Strix Point and Arrow Lake, which would have been replaced only next year, giving supremacy to M4 for more than a year. If M4 were twice faster, it would have continued to share the first position for more than a year. As it is, it will be the fastest for one quarter, after which it will have only half of the top speed.
  - whynotminot 2y ago
    And then Apple will release M5 next year, presumably with another increase in TOPS that may well top their competitors. This is how product releases work.
    - spxneo 2y ago
      strongly doubt we will see M5 so soon
      - thejazzman 2y ago
        the M3 was released Oct 30, 2023 the M4 was released May 7, 2024 [disco stu] if these trends continue, the M5 will be out on November 14, 2024