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Great, until it's not. You have no escape in case of an emergency. The room probably wasn't technically a bedroom.

renewiltord 2y ago
I think the probability of that is lower than my probability of death on my motorcycle. So they're probably going to be fine. Everything is fine until it's not. The risk tradeoffs we disallow are ones where you need to be 1σ+ to be making the tradeoff because the crucial functionality there we provide is legibility in the marketplace.
giantg2 2y ago
That's easily remedied - axes and specialized entry tools can be used for exiting. Yeah, if it doesn't meet the legal definition of a bedroom, it can't be listed as one. That's partially why there are so few interior rooms - lower property value vs if it was a bedroom (but mainly consumer demand for windows).
- eropple 2y ago
  > That's easily remedied - axes and specialized entry tools can be used for exiting. You keep an axe in your bedroom?
  - giantg2 2y ago
    My bedroom has a window, so no. If your bedroom doesn't have a window and you're concerned about another exit, then sure.
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  - WalterBright 2y ago
    Yes. Seattle is earthquake country, and I want to be able to get out if the doors are blocked or jammed from earthquake or fire. It's a fireman's axe, as that job is what they're designed for. I also keep a fire extinguisher in the bedroom.
    - bombcar 2y ago
      I mean you’re also an axe murder, but that’s besides the point. ;)
      - WalterBright 2y ago
        If you've ever handled a fire axe, you'd realize it makes a lousy weapon. It has a long handle, with a heavy head. The idea is it can build up a lot of momentum to crash through things like doors and walls. But the long handle makes it difficult to swing in a melee, and slow to swing, and once the swing starts it will be very hard to change its arc. Hence, your target can easily sidestep it. I suppose it would be good against plate armor, but not many villains wear plate armor these days. You also have to be careful with a fire axe to not chop your foot if you miss. I don't think I've ever seen a war axe/hatchet/tomahawk anywhere near that size. For self-defense in close quarters, a baseball bat is ideal. P.S. I am no martial arts expert.
        giantg2 2y ago
        "For self-defense in close quarters, a baseball bat is ideal." Eh, not really. That's still a lot of unbalanced mass and potentially excessive length. There's a reason batons and other strike weapons aren't made like bats.
        bombcar 2y ago
        The best close quarter weapon, of course, is a (potentially illegally) sawed-off shotgun. The second best is something that you've extensively practiced with, and designed for the purpose.
- jrockway 2y ago
  Yeah, you can put beds in whatever room you want. You just can't sell a room with no window as a bedroom.
  - bluGill 2y ago
    In some cases you can - most of the time codes don't allow it, but there are exceptions. Check the local laws..
- SkyPuncher 2y ago
  Even simpler, many interior walls are built with studs covered by drywall. Most able bodied adults can break drwall between the studs. It’s not a particularly strong material.
  - throwway120385 2y ago
    It really depends on the drywall. If it's 3/4 inch soundproof drywall over sound insulation with services like water, electrical, and sewage you can break it but now you have to navigate the services. And many people aren't going to shove themselves through studs on 16" centers.
    - giantg2 2y ago
      If they're worried about not fitting through 16" studs (let alone this entire scenario), then they should select a room with two doors. If you can't fit through studs, I find it hard to believe they're fitting through most windows (generally a more awkward position with limited dimensions too).
    - SkyPuncher 2y ago
      Those services are in very limited places in interior walls. You may have an electrical line running to the outlets, but you be extremely unlikely to hit sewer or water. If you do, the gap ti the left or right is extremely unlikely to also have the same services.
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JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> You have no escape in case of an emergency Nobody is exiting the 60th floor of a skyscraper through the window. We don’t even have ladders that go that high on firetrucks in New York [1]. [1] https://www.fdnysmart.org/fire-trucks/ https://www.fdnysmart.org/fire-trucks/ 95 ft, or about 10 stories
- BobaFloutist 2y ago
  What, you don't keep a parachute under your bed?
- bluGill 2y ago
  Which is why buildings higher than fire trucks can reach have different fire codes. Stairways are often a separate building within the building with a firewall between them - if the building starts on fire you can get down one of the stairs.
ldjkfkdsjnv 2y ago
High up in an NYC building, there is no escape regardless of windows. Also, my quality of life with good sleep is so high, its easily worth it

I think the probability of that is lower than my probability of death on my motorcycle. So they're probably going to be fine. Everything is fine until it's not. The risk tradeoffs we disallow are ones where you need to be 1σ+ to be making the tradeoff because the crucial functionality there we provide is legibility in the marketplace.

giantg2 2y ago

That's easily remedied - axes and specialized entry tools can be used for exiting. Yeah, if it doesn't meet the legal definition of a bedroom, it can't be listed as one. That's partially why there are so few interior rooms - lower property value vs if it was a bedroom (but mainly consumer demand for windows).

eropple 2y ago
> That's easily remedied - axes and specialized entry tools can be used for exiting. You keep an axe in your bedroom?
- giantg2 2y ago
  My bedroom has a window, so no. If your bedroom doesn't have a window and you're concerned about another exit, then sure.
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- WalterBright 2y ago
  Yes. Seattle is earthquake country, and I want to be able to get out if the doors are blocked or jammed from earthquake or fire. It's a fireman's axe, as that job is what they're designed for. I also keep a fire extinguisher in the bedroom.
  - bombcar 2y ago
    I mean you’re also an axe murder, but that’s besides the point. ;)
    - WalterBright 2y ago
      If you've ever handled a fire axe, you'd realize it makes a lousy weapon. It has a long handle, with a heavy head. The idea is it can build up a lot of momentum to crash through things like doors and walls. But the long handle makes it difficult to swing in a melee, and slow to swing, and once the swing starts it will be very hard to change its arc. Hence, your target can easily sidestep it. I suppose it would be good against plate armor, but not many villains wear plate armor these days. You also have to be careful with a fire axe to not chop your foot if you miss. I don't think I've ever seen a war axe/hatchet/tomahawk anywhere near that size. For self-defense in close quarters, a baseball bat is ideal. P.S. I am no martial arts expert.
      - giantg2 2y ago
        "For self-defense in close quarters, a baseball bat is ideal." Eh, not really. That's still a lot of unbalanced mass and potentially excessive length. There's a reason batons and other strike weapons aren't made like bats.
        bombcar 2y ago
        The best close quarter weapon, of course, is a (potentially illegally) sawed-off shotgun. The second best is something that you've extensively practiced with, and designed for the purpose.
jrockway 2y ago
Yeah, you can put beds in whatever room you want. You just can't sell a room with no window as a bedroom.
- bluGill 2y ago
  In some cases you can - most of the time codes don't allow it, but there are exceptions. Check the local laws..
SkyPuncher 2y ago
Even simpler, many interior walls are built with studs covered by drywall. Most able bodied adults can break drwall between the studs. It’s not a particularly strong material.
- throwway120385 2y ago
  It really depends on the drywall. If it's 3/4 inch soundproof drywall over sound insulation with services like water, electrical, and sewage you can break it but now you have to navigate the services. And many people aren't going to shove themselves through studs on 16" centers.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    If they're worried about not fitting through 16" studs (let alone this entire scenario), then they should select a room with two doors. If you can't fit through studs, I find it hard to believe they're fitting through most windows (generally a more awkward position with limited dimensions too).
  - SkyPuncher 2y ago
    Those services are in very limited places in interior walls. You may have an electrical line running to the outlets, but you be extremely unlikely to hit sewer or water. If you do, the gap ti the left or right is extremely unlikely to also have the same services.
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JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> You have no escape in case of an emergency Nobody is exiting the 60th floor of a skyscraper through the window. We don’t even have ladders that go that high on firetrucks in New York [1]. [1] https://www.fdnysmart.org/fire-trucks/ https://www.fdnysmart.org/fire-trucks/ 95 ft, or about 10 stories

BobaFloutist 2y ago
What, you don't keep a parachute under your bed?
bluGill 2y ago
Which is why buildings higher than fire trucks can reach have different fire codes. Stairways are often a separate building within the building with a firewall between them - if the building starts on fire you can get down one of the stairs.

ldjkfkdsjnv 2y ago

High up in an NYC building, there is no escape regardless of windows. Also, my quality of life with good sleep is so high, its easily worth it