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I don't understand the fluff about thin devices. I bought an iPad air a few years back and every time I picked it up the screen warped and I could see my finge

I don't understand the fluff about thin devices. I bought an iPad air a few years back and every time I picked it up the screen warped and I could see my fingers pressing through the back. I got a case for it thinking that'd help but I could still see it happen if I pressed hard enough. Returned immediately for the iPad Pro. I can't help but expect this would have similar problems AND it's Pro priced.

w-ll 2y ago
Also they wobble when places on a table, why cant they make it thicker, give more battery. Like this is crazy that the pencil is thicker. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/2024/05/apple-unveils-stunning-new-ipad-pro-with-m4-chip-and-apple-pencil-pro/article/Apple-iPad-Pro-Apple-Pencil-Pro-240507_big.jpg.large.jpg https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/2024/05/apple-unveils-...
- reaperducer 2y ago
  Also they wobble when places on a table, It's a feature, not a bug. Just like the iPhones, it doesn't sit flat on a table so that people can't grind dirt into it and scratch up the back and complain on the internet about how it scratches all the time.
  - w-ll 2y ago
    first i heard that excuses. maybe dont have a glass back, maybe add more battery life, maybe not let phones (and now ipads bend in pockets or bags?
transpute 2y ago
> the fluff about thin device So that iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard is close to Macbook.
- joshspankit 2y ago
  But again: why focus on thinness in a pro device?
  - transpute 2y ago
    It helps with convergence of iOS and macOS, supporting both Macbook keyboard (laptop) and detached slate (mobile) form factors. There are professionals who operate in space-constrained physical environments, e.g. superthin iPad + rugged case with other electronics can still be close to laptop form factor. On a related note, there are 90/180 degree USB-C M/M and M/F 40Gbps adapters.
    - joshspankit 2y ago
      I’m sure that there are professionals who operate in spaces where they need to use it above their head, or while skydiving. I’m not sure why small numbers of professionals would or should affect the whole product.
      - transpute 2y ago
        > I’m not sure why small numbers of professionals would or should affect the whole product. Numbers are one metric. Money and other forms of influence are another.
nozzlegear 2y ago
I generally prefer thin devices to a certain point, and then after that I agree that it’s just fluff. I think showing how a product is “thinner” is an easy way to show that it weighs less, which is what I care about in thin devices.
- joshspankit 2y ago
  Would you trade 600g and a slightly thicker device for double the battery life?
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    For me, on the iPhone and iPad Pro that I use: I'd personally prefer 600g less, since the battery already lasts absurdly long for my uses and I'm rarely without a charger. But double the battery life for just 600g is a crazy good tradeoff, so I wouldn't begrudge anyone for making that deal. If Tim Cook came out and said the next iPhone/iPad was going to be 600g heavier but with double the battery life, I wouldn't be upset at all.
gumby 2y ago
I don't know; I had an ipad air 2 (until now the thinnest ipad ever) and now use a 2020 ipad air and never had those issues -- I even carry my coffee using the ipad as a tray. The ipad 2 would lie flat on the table. I don't understand the fetish for a camera bump. It makes the phones suck too. You need a case of some sort to make them lie flat. They could just make the batteries bigger and keep the whole thing flat.
rantee 2y ago
Totally agree - I don't find "stunningly thin and light design" to be a selling point any more. I want to hold a durable device without feeling like it might break or slip out of my hands, without needing a chunky case.
ShakataGaNai 2y ago
The iPad Pro plus keyboard folio was thicker and heavier than a MacBook Air. So honestly, this change is welcome. If they can get the keyboard+ipad combo into the same range as the MBA…I’d take the iPad instead. Today I’m at a conference and took my MBA because it’s the lightest option for all day carry.

w-ll 2y ago

Also they wobble when places on a table, why cant they make it thicker, give more battery. Like this is crazy that the pencil is thicker. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/2024/05/apple-unveils-stunning-new-ipad-pro-with-m4-chip-and-apple-pencil-pro/article/Apple-iPad-Pro-Apple-Pencil-Pro-240507_big.jpg.large.jpg https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/2024/05/apple-unveils-...

reaperducer 2y ago
Also they wobble when places on a table, It's a feature, not a bug. Just like the iPhones, it doesn't sit flat on a table so that people can't grind dirt into it and scratch up the back and complain on the internet about how it scratches all the time.
- w-ll 2y ago
  first i heard that excuses. maybe dont have a glass back, maybe add more battery life, maybe not let phones (and now ipads bend in pockets or bags?

transpute 2y ago

> the fluff about thin device So that iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard is close to Macbook.

joshspankit 2y ago
But again: why focus on thinness in a pro device?
- transpute 2y ago
  It helps with convergence of iOS and macOS, supporting both Macbook keyboard (laptop) and detached slate (mobile) form factors. There are professionals who operate in space-constrained physical environments, e.g. superthin iPad + rugged case with other electronics can still be close to laptop form factor. On a related note, there are 90/180 degree USB-C M/M and M/F 40Gbps adapters.
  - joshspankit 2y ago
    I’m sure that there are professionals who operate in spaces where they need to use it above their head, or while skydiving. I’m not sure why small numbers of professionals would or should affect the whole product.
    - transpute 2y ago
      > I’m not sure why small numbers of professionals would or should affect the whole product. Numbers are one metric. Money and other forms of influence are another.

nozzlegear 2y ago

I generally prefer thin devices to a certain point, and then after that I agree that it’s just fluff. I think showing how a product is “thinner” is an easy way to show that it weighs less, which is what I care about in thin devices.

joshspankit 2y ago
Would you trade 600g and a slightly thicker device for double the battery life?
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  For me, on the iPhone and iPad Pro that I use: I'd personally prefer 600g less, since the battery already lasts absurdly long for my uses and I'm rarely without a charger. But double the battery life for just 600g is a crazy good tradeoff, so I wouldn't begrudge anyone for making that deal. If Tim Cook came out and said the next iPhone/iPad was going to be 600g heavier but with double the battery life, I wouldn't be upset at all.

gumby 2y ago

I don't know; I had an ipad air 2 (until now the thinnest ipad ever) and now use a 2020 ipad air and never had those issues -- I even carry my coffee using the ipad as a tray. The ipad 2 would lie flat on the table. I don't understand the fetish for a camera bump. It makes the phones suck too. You need a case of some sort to make them lie flat. They could just make the batteries bigger and keep the whole thing flat.

rantee 2y ago

Totally agree - I don't find "stunningly thin and light design" to be a selling point any more. I want to hold a durable device without feeling like it might break or slip out of my hands, without needing a chunky case.

ShakataGaNai 2y ago

The iPad Pro plus keyboard folio was thicker and heavier than a MacBook Air. So honestly, this change is welcome. If they can get the keyboard+ipad combo into the same range as the MBA…I’d take the iPad instead. Today I’m at a conference and took my MBA because it’s the lightest option for all day carry.