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My understanding is that carbon output per capita is far lower in nyc than in american suburbia. American suburbia is a pretty unique place, hard to say how it

My understanding is that carbon output per capita is far lower in nyc than in american suburbia. American suburbia is a pretty unique place, hard to say how it compares to europe, but at least in the US city livers generally are more ecological at least by some definitions. I dont think many people value efficiency as highly as you do. Tons of people are fine with being inefficient, they certainly wouldnt call their actions absurd. To me there's nothing wrong with transporting salmon, and Im honestly not really sure why you think there is. Most lox is factory farmed so not like its threatening the species.

kkfx 3y ago
Well, this is a counter example http://www.newgeography.com/content/006840-high-density-and-sustainability http://www.newgeography.com/content/006840-high-density-and-... and another one https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/20911-residents-of-helsinki-have-larger-consumption-footprint-than-many-others.html https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/2... beware the model I'm talking about is NOT the USA Suburbs model where there are ONLY residential settlements and ONLY commercial one well far away, I'm talking about the EU "Rivieras" model, where commerce and homes are mixed. Like a kind of large, spread, set of small villages.
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  These dont exist in the US. Gotta make do with whats available
  - kkfx 3y ago
    Well, what's available in large parts of the world are unsustainable settlements, some due to their place, too prone to floods, wildfires, ... many with subsidence problems, many with aging and irreplaceable infra and so on. So what's available are raw materials, industries and knowledge to start building something new. On the table we have the smart cities, natural evolution of present dense cities and distopic nightmares like the original Fordlandia. You can read about Google Sidewalk labs or Arkadag, Innopolis, Prospera, ... to form an idea of the near future. I prefer something else. Personally I left the big city for mountains in a not too far area, with enough services and there I see the green new deal working, in kWh terms I consume much less (considering I do not consume gas, diesel, petrol etc anymore), my life quality is improved much, local economy works better than many others so... I propose this as a model.

kkfx 3y ago

Well, this is a counter example http://www.newgeography.com/content/006840-high-density-and-sustainability http://www.newgeography.com/content/006840-high-density-and-... and another one https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/20911-residents-of-helsinki-have-larger-consumption-footprint-than-many-others.html https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/2... beware the model I'm talking about is NOT the USA Suburbs model where there are ONLY residential settlements and ONLY commercial one well far away, I'm talking about the EU "Rivieras" model, where commerce and homes are mixed. Like a kind of large, spread, set of small villages.

HDThoreaun 3y ago
These dont exist in the US. Gotta make do with whats available
- kkfx 3y ago
  Well, what's available in large parts of the world are unsustainable settlements, some due to their place, too prone to floods, wildfires, ... many with subsidence problems, many with aging and irreplaceable infra and so on. So what's available are raw materials, industries and knowledge to start building something new. On the table we have the smart cities, natural evolution of present dense cities and distopic nightmares like the original Fordlandia. You can read about Google Sidewalk labs or Arkadag, Innopolis, Prospera, ... to form an idea of the near future. I prefer something else. Personally I left the big city for mountains in a not too far area, with enough services and there I see the green new deal working, in kWh terms I consume much less (considering I do not consume gas, diesel, petrol etc anymore), my life quality is improved much, local economy works better than many others so... I propose this as a model.