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I'll give you that Apple's comparisons are sometimes inscrutable. I vividly remember that one. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/17/22982915/apple-m1-ultra-rtx-3

I'll give you that Apple's comparisons are sometimes inscrutable. I vividly remember that one. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/17/22982915/apple-m1-ultra-rtx-3090-comparison-specs-charts-cpu-gpu-performance https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/17/22982915/apple-m1-ultra-r... Apple was comparing the power envelope (already a complicated concept) of their GPU against a 3090. Apple wanted to show that the peak of their GPU's performance was reached with a fraction of the power of a 3090. What was terrible was that Apple was cropping their chart at the point where the 3090 was pulling ahead in pure compute by throwing more watts at the problem. So their GPU was not as powerful as a 3090, but a quick glance at the chart would completely tell you otherwise. Ultimately we didn't see one of those charts today, just a mention about the GPU being 50% more efficient than the competition. I think those charts are beloved by Johny Srouji and no one else. They're not getting the message across.

izacus 2y ago
Plenty of people on HN thought that M1 GPU is as powerful as 3090 GPU, so I think the message worked very well for Apple. They really love those kind of comparisons - e.g. they also compared M1s against really old Intel CPUs to make the numbers look better, knowing that news headlines won't care for details.
- philistine 2y ago
  They compared against really old intel CPUs because those were the last ones they used in their own computers! Apple likes to compare device to device, not component to component.
  - oblio 2y ago
    You say that like it's not a marketing gimmick meant to mislead and obscure facts. It's not some virtue that causes them to do this.
    - threeseed 2y ago
      It's funny because your comment is meant to mislead and obscure facts. Apple compared against Intel to encourage their previous customers to upgrade. There is nothing insidious about this and is in fact standard business practice.
      - oblio 2y ago
        Apple's the ONLY tech company that doesn't compare products to their competitors. The intensity of the reality distortion field and hubris is mind boggling. Turns out, you fell for it.
  - izacus 2y ago
    No, they compared it because it made them look way better for naive people. They have no qualms comparing to other competition when it suits them. You're explanation is a really baffling case of corporate white knighting.
- w0m 2y ago
  > not component to component that's honestly kind of stupid when discussing things like 'new CPU!' like this thread. I'm not saying the M4 isn't a great platform, but holy cow the corporate tripe people gobble up.

izacus 2y ago

Plenty of people on HN thought that M1 GPU is as powerful as 3090 GPU, so I think the message worked very well for Apple. They really love those kind of comparisons - e.g. they also compared M1s against really old Intel CPUs to make the numbers look better, knowing that news headlines won't care for details.

philistine 2y ago
They compared against really old intel CPUs because those were the last ones they used in their own computers! Apple likes to compare device to device, not component to component.
- oblio 2y ago
  You say that like it's not a marketing gimmick meant to mislead and obscure facts. It's not some virtue that causes them to do this.
  - threeseed 2y ago
    It's funny because your comment is meant to mislead and obscure facts. Apple compared against Intel to encourage their previous customers to upgrade. There is nothing insidious about this and is in fact standard business practice.
    - oblio 2y ago
      Apple's the ONLY tech company that doesn't compare products to their competitors. The intensity of the reality distortion field and hubris is mind boggling. Turns out, you fell for it.
- izacus 2y ago
  No, they compared it because it made them look way better for naive people. They have no qualms comparing to other competition when it suits them. You're explanation is a really baffling case of corporate white knighting.
w0m 2y ago
> not component to component that's honestly kind of stupid when discussing things like 'new CPU!' like this thread. I'm not saying the M4 isn't a great platform, but holy cow the corporate tripe people gobble up.