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Why even have an event at this point? There's literally nothing interesting.

by Takennickname 2y ago

antipaul 2y ago
Video showing Apple Pencil Pro features was pretty sick, and I ain't even an artist
- Takennickname 2y ago
  The highlight of the event was a stylus?
- gardaani 2y ago
  I think they are over-engineering it. I have never liked gestures because it's difficult to discover something you can't see. A button would have been better than an invisible squeeze gesture.
  - swozey 2y ago
    I used Android phones forever until the iphone 13 came out and I switched to IOS because I had to de-Google my life completely after they (for no reason at all, "fraud" that I did not commit) blocked my Google Play account. The amount of things I have to google to use the phone how I normally used Android is crazy. So many gestures required with NOTHING telling you how to use them. I recently sat around a table with 5 of my friends trying to figure out how to do that "Tap to share contact info" thing. Nobody at the table, all long term IOS users, knew how to do it. I thought that if we tapped the phones together it would give me some popup on how to finish the process. We tried all sorts of tapping/phone versions until we realized we had to unlock both phones. And one of the people there with the same phone as me (13 pro) couldn't get it to work at all. It just did nothing. And the keyboard. My god is the keyboard awful. I have never typoed so much, and I have no idea how to copy a URL out of Safari to send to someone without using the annoying Share button which doesn't even have the app I share to the most without clicking the More.. button to show all my apps. Holding my finger over the URL doesn't give me a copy option or anything, and changing the URL with their highlight/delete system is terrible. I get so frustrated with it and mostly just give up. The cursor NEVER lands where I want it to land and almost always highlights an entire word when I want to make a one letter typo fix. I don't have big fingers at all. Changing a long URL that goes past the length of the Safari address bar is a nightmare. I'm sure (maybe?) that's some option I need to change but I don't even feel like looking into it anymore. I've given up on learning about the phones hidden gestures and just use it probably 1/10th of how I could. Carplay, Messages and the easy-to-connect-devices ecosystem is the only thing keeping me on it.
    - Apocryphon 2y ago
      Sounds like the ideal use case for an AI assistant. Siri ought to tell you how to access hidden features on the device. iOS, assist thyself.
    - antipaul 2y ago
      To copy URL from Safari, press and hold (long-press) on URL bar Press and hold also allows options elsewhere in iOS
      - swozey 2y ago
        Oh, I see what I'm doing wrong now. If I hold it down it highlights it and gives me the "edit letter/line" thing, and then if I let go I get the Copy option. I guess in the past I've seen it highlight the word and just stopped before it got to that point. Thanks!
throwaway11460 2y ago
2x better performance per watt is not interesting? Wow, what a time to be alive.
- LoganDark 2y ago
  To me, cutting wattage in half is not interesting, but doubling performance is interesting. So performance per watt is actually a pretty useless metric since it doesn't differentiate between the two. of course efficiency matters for a battery-powered device, but I still tend to lean towards raw power over all else. Others may choose differently, which is why other metrics exist I guess.
  - throwaway11460 2y ago
    This still means you can pack more performance into the chip though - because you're limited by cooling.
    - LoganDark 2y ago
      Huh, never considered cooling. I suppose that contributes to the device's incredible thinness. Generally thin-and-light has always been an incredible turnoff for me, but tech is finally starting to catch up to thicker devices.
      - hedora 2y ago
        Thin and light is easier to cool. The entire device is a big heat sink fin. Put another way, as the device gets thinner, the ratio of surface area to volume goes to infinity. If you want to go thicker, then you have to screw around with heat pipes, fans, etc, etc, to move the heat a few cm to the outside surface of the device.
        LoganDark 2y ago
        That's not why thin-and-light bothers me. Historically, ultrabooks and similarly thin-and-light focused devices have been utterly insufferable in terms of performance compared to something that's even a single cm thicker. But Apple Silicon seems extremely promising, it seems quite competitive with thicker and heavier devices. I never understood why everyone [looking at PC laptop manufacturers] took thin-and-light to such an extreme that their machines became basically useless. Now Apple is releasing thin-and-light machines that are incredibly powerful, and that is genuinely innovative. I hadn't seen something like that from them since the launch of the original iPhone, that's how big I think this was.

Why even have an event at this point? There's literally nothing interesting.

antipaul 2y ago

Video showing Apple Pencil Pro features was pretty sick, and I ain't even an artist

Takennickname 2y ago
The highlight of the event was a stylus?
gardaani 2y ago
I think they are over-engineering it. I have never liked gestures because it's difficult to discover something you can't see. A button would have been better than an invisible squeeze gesture.
- swozey 2y ago
  I used Android phones forever until the iphone 13 came out and I switched to IOS because I had to de-Google my life completely after they (for no reason at all, "fraud" that I did not commit) blocked my Google Play account. The amount of things I have to google to use the phone how I normally used Android is crazy. So many gestures required with NOTHING telling you how to use them. I recently sat around a table with 5 of my friends trying to figure out how to do that "Tap to share contact info" thing. Nobody at the table, all long term IOS users, knew how to do it. I thought that if we tapped the phones together it would give me some popup on how to finish the process. We tried all sorts of tapping/phone versions until we realized we had to unlock both phones. And one of the people there with the same phone as me (13 pro) couldn't get it to work at all. It just did nothing. And the keyboard. My god is the keyboard awful. I have never typoed so much, and I have no idea how to copy a URL out of Safari to send to someone without using the annoying Share button which doesn't even have the app I share to the most without clicking the More.. button to show all my apps. Holding my finger over the URL doesn't give me a copy option or anything, and changing the URL with their highlight/delete system is terrible. I get so frustrated with it and mostly just give up. The cursor NEVER lands where I want it to land and almost always highlights an entire word when I want to make a one letter typo fix. I don't have big fingers at all. Changing a long URL that goes past the length of the Safari address bar is a nightmare. I'm sure (maybe?) that's some option I need to change but I don't even feel like looking into it anymore. I've given up on learning about the phones hidden gestures and just use it probably 1/10th of how I could. Carplay, Messages and the easy-to-connect-devices ecosystem is the only thing keeping me on it.
  - Apocryphon 2y ago
    Sounds like the ideal use case for an AI assistant. Siri ought to tell you how to access hidden features on the device. iOS, assist thyself.
  - antipaul 2y ago
    To copy URL from Safari, press and hold (long-press) on URL bar Press and hold also allows options elsewhere in iOS
    - swozey 2y ago
      Oh, I see what I'm doing wrong now. If I hold it down it highlights it and gives me the "edit letter/line" thing, and then if I let go I get the Copy option. I guess in the past I've seen it highlight the word and just stopped before it got to that point. Thanks!

throwaway11460 2y ago

2x better performance per watt is not interesting? Wow, what a time to be alive.

LoganDark 2y ago
To me, cutting wattage in half is not interesting, but doubling performance is interesting. So performance per watt is actually a pretty useless metric since it doesn't differentiate between the two. of course efficiency matters for a battery-powered device, but I still tend to lean towards raw power over all else. Others may choose differently, which is why other metrics exist I guess.
- throwaway11460 2y ago
  This still means you can pack more performance into the chip though - because you're limited by cooling.
  - LoganDark 2y ago
    Huh, never considered cooling. I suppose that contributes to the device's incredible thinness. Generally thin-and-light has always been an incredible turnoff for me, but tech is finally starting to catch up to thicker devices.
    - hedora 2y ago
      Thin and light is easier to cool. The entire device is a big heat sink fin. Put another way, as the device gets thinner, the ratio of surface area to volume goes to infinity. If you want to go thicker, then you have to screw around with heat pipes, fans, etc, etc, to move the heat a few cm to the outside surface of the device.
      - LoganDark 2y ago
        That's not why thin-and-light bothers me. Historically, ultrabooks and similarly thin-and-light focused devices have been utterly insufferable in terms of performance compared to something that's even a single cm thicker. But Apple Silicon seems extremely promising, it seems quite competitive with thicker and heavier devices. I never understood why everyone [looking at PC laptop manufacturers] took thin-and-light to such an extreme that their machines became basically useless. Now Apple is releasing thin-and-light machines that are incredibly powerful, and that is genuinely innovative. I hadn't seen something like that from them since the launch of the original iPhone, that's how big I think this was.