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"as well as those who, for health reasons, simply want to shield themselves from as many electromagnetic waves as possible" Is anyone really still concerned th

"as well as those who, for health reasons, simply want to shield themselves from as many electromagnetic waves as possible" Is anyone really still concerned that electromagnetic waves in the cell-phone range are harmful?

bostonvaulter2 14y ago
Yes there are, but you won't find them here or on my websites.
DanBC 14y ago
This reply is just for the search-engine people. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs193/en/ http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs193/en/) > To date, research does not suggest any consistent evidence of adverse health effects from exposure to radiofrequency fields at levels below those that cause tissue heating. Further, research has not been able to provide support for a causal relationship between exposure to electromagnetic fields and self-reported symptoms, or “electromagnetic hypersensitivity”. > The researchers concluded that biases and errors limit the strength of these conclusions and prevent a causal interpretation. Based largely on these data, IARC has classified radiofrequency electromagnetic fields as possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B), a category used when a causal association is considered credible, but when chance, bias or confounding cannot be ruled out with reasonable confidence.
mukaiji 14y ago
I'm a scientist (certified for radioactive & x-ray research) so I totally hear the point to be made regarding something not being a fact until a thorough investigation has been done on the matter. However, the fact that electromagnetic wave cause harm or may have secondary effect in some people is not that far fetched and should not be discarded as "is anyone really still concerned". We just don't have a sample size of individuals troubled by it that is sufficiently large enough to prove it. The majority of us may show no signs of harm; yet I know of at least two people that suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity, probably resulting from having 30 different wifi signals crossing their walls day & night for the last ten years. Indeed, I don't believe cell-phone tower signals at long range are really the cause. It's more likely to be the high concentration of wifi signals inside of apartment complexes. And even if the exposure intensity is a matter of square root with respect to distance from source, you can get significant exposure when you increase the number of source or the relative average distance you are from them. So no, electromagnetic waves is nothing to sneeze at. If you think so, why don't you go sleep every night in a tiny room with 15 wifi routers on and a couple of cell-towers directly above your head?
- bkirwi 14y ago
  I'll see your anecdote and raise you another one: A friend's downstairs neighbour regularly complained of 'electromagnetic hypersensitivity'; it got to the point where the building manager asked that my friend stop using wifi entirely. My friend switched her network to 'hidden'. The symptoms disappeared. Of course, we shouldn't draw conclusions from anecdotal evidence. Perhaps the neighbour was only sensitive to broadcast packets containing SSIDs?
  - Drbble 14y ago
    Does the neighbor also block out all the harmful EM radiation that floods from sunrise to sunset? If you want to be cruel, mention that cordless phones and microwaves emit at similar frequencies as wifi.
    - mukaiji 14y ago
      Cordless phones are actually by far the most powerful radiowave emitter inside a home.
  - mukaiji 14y ago
    "We just don't have a sample size of individuals troubled by it that is sufficiently large enough to prove it." well yeah, then when you do find someone, you have to sort the lunatics from the real cases :)

bostonvaulter2 14y ago

Yes there are, but you won't find them here or on my websites.

DanBC 14y ago

This reply is just for the search-engine people. (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs193/en/ http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs193/en/) > To date, research does not suggest any consistent evidence of adverse health effects from exposure to radiofrequency fields at levels below those that cause tissue heating. Further, research has not been able to provide support for a causal relationship between exposure to electromagnetic fields and self-reported symptoms, or “electromagnetic hypersensitivity”. > The researchers concluded that biases and errors limit the strength of these conclusions and prevent a causal interpretation. Based largely on these data, IARC has classified radiofrequency electromagnetic fields as possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B), a category used when a causal association is considered credible, but when chance, bias or confounding cannot be ruled out with reasonable confidence.

mukaiji 14y ago

I'm a scientist (certified for radioactive & x-ray research) so I totally hear the point to be made regarding something not being a fact until a thorough investigation has been done on the matter. However, the fact that electromagnetic wave cause harm or may have secondary effect in some people is not that far fetched and should not be discarded as "is anyone really still concerned". We just don't have a sample size of individuals troubled by it that is sufficiently large enough to prove it. The majority of us may show no signs of harm; yet I know of at least two people that suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity, probably resulting from having 30 different wifi signals crossing their walls day & night for the last ten years. Indeed, I don't believe cell-phone tower signals at long range are really the cause. It's more likely to be the high concentration of wifi signals inside of apartment complexes. And even if the exposure intensity is a matter of square root with respect to distance from source, you can get significant exposure when you increase the number of source or the relative average distance you are from them. So no, electromagnetic waves is nothing to sneeze at. If you think so, why don't you go sleep every night in a tiny room with 15 wifi routers on and a couple of cell-towers directly above your head?

bkirwi 14y ago
I'll see your anecdote and raise you another one: A friend's downstairs neighbour regularly complained of 'electromagnetic hypersensitivity'; it got to the point where the building manager asked that my friend stop using wifi entirely. My friend switched her network to 'hidden'. The symptoms disappeared. Of course, we shouldn't draw conclusions from anecdotal evidence. Perhaps the neighbour was only sensitive to broadcast packets containing SSIDs?
- Drbble 14y ago
  Does the neighbor also block out all the harmful EM radiation that floods from sunrise to sunset? If you want to be cruel, mention that cordless phones and microwaves emit at similar frequencies as wifi.
  - mukaiji 14y ago
    Cordless phones are actually by far the most powerful radiowave emitter inside a home.
- mukaiji 14y ago
  "We just don't have a sample size of individuals troubled by it that is sufficiently large enough to prove it." well yeah, then when you do find someone, you have to sort the lunatics from the real cases :)