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Standardized licenses, per language / domain / etc, that expire and / or something analogous to professional engineering licensure in harder engineering discipl

Standardized licenses, per language / domain / etc, that expire and / or something analogous to professional engineering licensure in harder engineering disciplines. Take the leetcode tests once every 5 years or so. Mentor for a few years with an experienced, and already licensed, engineer and get their approval. Then the interviews can skip the drudgery and can be higher level and higher quality.

BerislavLopac 2y ago
Standardised on what exactly? There are so many methodologies and/or tools, with endless possible combinations, each of which can reach the desired result in terms of functionality and even quality. And enforcing just one means no possibility of progress. In physical engineering, things are very much limited by physical laws, which don't change (and even if our understanding on them might, that happens rarely enough to adapt). In software engineering, the foundational principles can and do change many times in an average engineer's career.
- mrkeen 2y ago
  > the foundational principles can and do change many times in an average engineer's career. I'd like to hear more.
  - lazide 2y ago
    Not the poster, but I personally know folks who have gone Assembly (for 6800 series Macs) -> C (PC on windows) -> Java (hosted on prem) -> Cloud hosted Java + JS/React. Depending on your definition of ‘foundational principles’ either nothing has changed, or everything has. But one thing is clear, the day to day is completely different.
  - BerislavLopac 2y ago
    I'm talking about things like 8/16/32/64-bit processors, CISC vs RISC, from mainframes to personal computers, from isolated machines to ubiquity of modern Internet, quantum computing etc. Note that I'm talking about the fundamentals of software engineering, not software science.
    - pseudalopex 2y ago
      DSA puzzles do not test software engineering. And they did not suggest eliminating interviews.
mrkeen 2y ago
> Standardized licenses The licence you value wouldn't be the licence I value.
sevagh 2y ago
This is what Triplebyte pretended to be. Then companies who got your resume from Triplebyte just whiteboarded you again anyway.

BerislavLopac 2y ago

Standardised on what exactly? There are so many methodologies and/or tools, with endless possible combinations, each of which can reach the desired result in terms of functionality and even quality. And enforcing just one means no possibility of progress. In physical engineering, things are very much limited by physical laws, which don't change (and even if our understanding on them might, that happens rarely enough to adapt). In software engineering, the foundational principles can and do change many times in an average engineer's career.

mrkeen 2y ago
> the foundational principles can and do change many times in an average engineer's career. I'd like to hear more.
- lazide 2y ago
  Not the poster, but I personally know folks who have gone Assembly (for 6800 series Macs) -> C (PC on windows) -> Java (hosted on prem) -> Cloud hosted Java + JS/React. Depending on your definition of ‘foundational principles’ either nothing has changed, or everything has. But one thing is clear, the day to day is completely different.
- BerislavLopac 2y ago
  I'm talking about things like 8/16/32/64-bit processors, CISC vs RISC, from mainframes to personal computers, from isolated machines to ubiquity of modern Internet, quantum computing etc. Note that I'm talking about the fundamentals of software engineering, not software science.
  - pseudalopex 2y ago
    DSA puzzles do not test software engineering. And they did not suggest eliminating interviews.

mrkeen 2y ago

> Standardized licenses The licence you value wouldn't be the licence I value.

sevagh 2y ago

This is what Triplebyte pretended to be. Then companies who got your resume from Triplebyte just whiteboarded you again anyway.