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Depends what you mean by industry. If you mean the US big airliner industry, then Boeing is essentially it, so yes, And I presume it comes directly from the FA

by nolok 2y ago

Depends what you mean by industry. If you mean the US big airliner industry, then Boeing is essentially it, so yes, And I presume it comes directly from the FAA delegating so much of their job to Boeing meaning Boeing had to inspect itself. The you had the bad deal grand fathered between USA and EU : FAA inspect Boeing planes, EASA has to accept that certification without checking by themselves. Airbus need to be certified by the EASA, they have much less if any delegated authority for that (though they do pay a lot into that, there is a difference between you need to pay into your regulator and you are your own regulator through your own employees). And then they need to separately be certified by Boeing. This means the surface area for Boeing screwing around is much, much larger. I don't doubt there are flaws if we looked into airbus assembly, but I highly doubt they would be systemic and part of a larger screwed process like what is being found at Boeing.

p_l 2y ago
The delegation of authority was a Bush Jr. policy about deregulation and making airline aviation "more agile" or some other BS. It involved defunding FAA efforts at control and explicit policies for more self-governance in the industry. There wasn't a "bad deal grandfathered" - there was a general acceptance of FAA flight certificates in many regulatory areas due to previous good performance of those, which was wrecked by 737 MAX crashes. Even then it wasn't automatic pass, it was more that local certification authorities would let you submit it in lieu of some checks but could require more. Also, apparently Airbus has wildly different policies for dealing with suppliers, which are seen as both bad (they aren't easy to work with and most importantly they mean more risk to supplier) but also good (better oversight, integration, and Airbus will actually help you deal with your suppliers, and the risk is shared)
- nolok 2y ago
  > There wasn't a "bad deal grandfathered" It's a grandfathered deal from the formation of the EASA. Before that, most national aviation authority in europe didn't have the ability to check all planes, so they accepted others'; while the FAA checked the planes of everyone. When the EASA was formed, we kept that part.

by nolok 2y ago

p_l 2y ago

The delegation of authority was a Bush Jr. policy about deregulation and making airline aviation "more agile" or some other BS. It involved defunding FAA efforts at control and explicit policies for more self-governance in the industry. There wasn't a "bad deal grandfathered" - there was a general acceptance of FAA flight certificates in many regulatory areas due to previous good performance of those, which was wrecked by 737 MAX crashes. Even then it wasn't automatic pass, it was more that local certification authorities would let you submit it in lieu of some checks but could require more. Also, apparently Airbus has wildly different policies for dealing with suppliers, which are seen as both bad (they aren't easy to work with and most importantly they mean more risk to supplier) but also good (better oversight, integration, and Airbus will actually help you deal with your suppliers, and the risk is shared)

nolok 2y ago
> There wasn't a "bad deal grandfathered" It's a grandfathered deal from the formation of the EASA. Before that, most national aviation authority in europe didn't have the ability to check all planes, so they accepted others'; while the FAA checked the planes of everyone. When the EASA was formed, we kept that part.