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You want a citation that proves it's a common opinion now? People express that opinion on here all the time. You're not going to find them in the Apple threads,

You want a citation that proves it's a common opinion now? People express that opinion on here all the time. You're not going to find them in the Apple threads, obviously. Or do you want me to painstakingly back up this opinion with citations of how their closed ecosystem, strong arming (or outright disallowing) of their competition in the app store, and patent bullying is making them evil?

Steko 14y ago
He wants you to justify your claim. Obviously you can't so I guess loud noises are in order.
- coderdude 14y ago
  I don't owe him 30 minutes of my time. Simply because I don't choose to fulfill his request for information does not mean that I'm here to make "loud noises." If he was actually interested and not just challenging my point because he doesn't share my opinion then he could have done this... https://www.google.com/search?q=how+is+apple+evil https://www.google.com/search?q=how+is+apple+evil ...to get an idea of what I meant by common opinion. That "citation please" thing is a quick and easy way to try and derail anyone's argument who isn't willing to spend real time digging crap up. It's perfectly fine by me if this makes me "lose the argument."
  - Steko 14y ago
    OTOH a quick and easy way to make your argument is to claim everyone holds it. Let's inspect your claim: "It's a pretty common opinion nowadays that Apple is the worst in the bunch; beating the pants off any unethical stuff Microsoft might be up to -- or was up to even back in the day." Let's examine your first piece of evidence: they have a closed ecosystem. Let examine something MS is famous for doing back in the day: destroying Netscape No one in their right mind would put these in the same league, I don't know why you nonchalantly claim not only that they are but Apple's worse and that this "beats the pants off" MS in the evilness department. Let's examine another one of your pieces of evidence: the removal of RA's app because it reverse engineered a private API or something. Let's compare this to something else MS was famous for back in the day: bankrolling SCO's attempt to kill linux. Well clearly again if we had a scale of evilness with Nathan Myrvold being a 10 and Hitler 100, MS might be a solid 6-8 and Apple maybe a 1-3. So you can keep defending what you said til the end of time but I'm going to call it total bullshit and be done with it here.
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  - astrodust 14y ago
    Let's see. I've heard this argument before. Oh, right, that's because it's on the Logical Fallacies chart (https://s3.amazonaws.com/yourlogicalfallacyis/pdf/LogicalFallaciesInfographic_A1.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/yourlogicalfallacyis/pdf/LogicalFal...)! It's the "bandwagon fallacy" where just because an opinion is popular it must be true.

Steko 14y ago

He wants you to justify your claim. Obviously you can't so I guess loud noises are in order.

coderdude 14y ago
I don't owe him 30 minutes of my time. Simply because I don't choose to fulfill his request for information does not mean that I'm here to make "loud noises." If he was actually interested and not just challenging my point because he doesn't share my opinion then he could have done this... https://www.google.com/search?q=how+is+apple+evil https://www.google.com/search?q=how+is+apple+evil ...to get an idea of what I meant by common opinion. That "citation please" thing is a quick and easy way to try and derail anyone's argument who isn't willing to spend real time digging crap up. It's perfectly fine by me if this makes me "lose the argument."
- Steko 14y ago
  OTOH a quick and easy way to make your argument is to claim everyone holds it. Let's inspect your claim: "It's a pretty common opinion nowadays that Apple is the worst in the bunch; beating the pants off any unethical stuff Microsoft might be up to -- or was up to even back in the day." Let's examine your first piece of evidence: they have a closed ecosystem. Let examine something MS is famous for doing back in the day: destroying Netscape No one in their right mind would put these in the same league, I don't know why you nonchalantly claim not only that they are but Apple's worse and that this "beats the pants off" MS in the evilness department. Let's examine another one of your pieces of evidence: the removal of RA's app because it reverse engineered a private API or something. Let's compare this to something else MS was famous for back in the day: bankrolling SCO's attempt to kill linux. Well clearly again if we had a scale of evilness with Nathan Myrvold being a 10 and Hitler 100, MS might be a solid 6-8 and Apple maybe a 1-3. So you can keep defending what you said til the end of time but I'm going to call it total bullshit and be done with it here.
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- astrodust 14y ago
  Let's see. I've heard this argument before. Oh, right, that's because it's on the Logical Fallacies chart (https://s3.amazonaws.com/yourlogicalfallacyis/pdf/LogicalFallaciesInfographic_A1.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/yourlogicalfallacyis/pdf/LogicalFal...)! It's the "bandwagon fallacy" where just because an opinion is popular it must be true.